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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307000 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Konstantin Kharlamov writes: > I am assuming that if a person doesn't know how to contribute to Emacs, t= hey > will query a search engine about that. And search engine would send them = to this > page > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Sending-Patches= .html When I looked up instructions (instead of just using M-x report bug (and completing on report-emacs-bug with amx), I used the tried and true approach to look for a "contributing" link on the project-website. It didn=E2=80=99t work. I think that=E2=80=99s a bug in the website and may be part of the explanat= ion why additional ports did not bring many additional developers. (though the Emacs website is already much, much better than it was two decades ago) =2D today: https://web.archive.org/web/20230602202220/http://www.gnu.org/so= ftware/emacs/ =2D one decade ago: https://web.archive.org/web/20130704144538/http://www.g= nu.org/software/emacs/ =2D two decades ago: https://web.archive.org/web/20030205055456/http://www.= gnu.org/software/emacs/ Though for contributors, there=E2=80=99s actually one thing that got worse: searching on the website for "contribut" turned up the CONTRIBUTING file before the current design and now doesn=E2=80=99t turn up a result. Two decades ago: > To contact the maintainers of Emacs, either to report a bug or to > contribute fixes or improvements, send mail to > . One decade ago: > To report bugs, or to contribute fixes and improvements, use the > built-in Emacs bug reporter (M-x report-emacs-bug) or send email to > bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org. You can browse our bug database at > debbugs.gnu.org. For more information on contributing, see the > CONTRIBUTE file (also distributed with Emacs). Now: (you have to click on "Documentation & Support" or on "Further information" to find something about contributing or development). I think that=E2=80=99s a regression that needs fixing. 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