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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310222 Archived-At: >>>> What is Popper? >>>> >>>> Short for "Popup Buffer", >>> >>> FWIW I don't think I would have understood this. Perhaps it is just me, >>> but despite fearing a general discussion about package names, do you >>> think renaming the package to something like "popup-buffers" would be >>> imaginable. If not, it is fine, just wanted to bring it up /briefly/. >> >> I took my cue for the name `popper' from Emacs' built-in `winner-mode'. >> At 16K+ downloads, Popper is a reasonably well known package and I think >> renaming it now will create more confusion than clarity. > > For the record, I supposed you are referring to MELPA? Yes, that number is from https://melpa.org/#/popper. >> The byline for the package is "Summon and dismiss buffers as popups", >> which shows up in package listings and should help discoverability. > > Of course, which is why I am not insisting on anything, I just wanted to > point out that people like me with slight dyslexia have difficulties > reading and remembering names like these. It was actually just > yesterday that I noticed the name is not "poppler". I see. >>>> There are other features, and a few video demos at the link. >>> >>> Is the video mirrored on some other platform as well? >> >> It's not. Do you have a suggestion for where you'd like the videos to >> be available? I can make that happen. > > I guess any peertube instance should be OK: > https://joinpeertube.org/publish-videos. I haven't taken a look at the > video, but as long as there is nothing mentioned in the video that is > not mentioned elsewhere, everything should be fine. While some people > prefer it, others find videos to be a information-sparse format. There is one 10+ min extended demo video on Youtube -- this is now quite out of date and only useful to get a general overview. Additionally there are a few short 5-10 second gifs on the Github page that illustrate specific features. These only make sense in the context of the README, so uploading them individually to peertube won't help either. I like the 5-10 second gifs as accompaniments to text, but am not a fan of extended video demos either since they're not greppable. I've applied the changes you suggested, and improved the documentation in a couple of other places. Karthik