From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Keep network security info buffers after use Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 15:43:53 +0100 Message-ID: <8734vpvxau.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87plz4irev.fsf@red-bean.com> <83frzufo9x.fsf@gnu.org> <838r5jd56w.fsf@gnu.org> <87mstzwr5j.fsf@red-bean.com> <834jg7d0p2.fsf@gnu.org> <87h6k6chhq.fsf@gmail.com> <83frzq9kv9.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11814"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 26 15:44:59 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rI8fz-0002t8-9p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 26 Dec 2023 15:44:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rI8fB-0006u7-UN; Tue, 26 Dec 2023 09:44:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rI8f9-0006tj-7c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Dec 2023 09:44:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wr1-x435.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::435]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rI8f3-0007ti-9F; Tue, 26 Dec 2023 09:44:05 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wr1-x435.google.com with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-336788cb261so4077193f8f.3; Tue, 26 Dec 2023 06:43:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1703601836; x=1704206636; darn=gnu.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=0JjptW4udBuWrfQpL4wuHtm5HaVEiy+8DIQ+JNiPf74=; b=P9ZH0gecHBDtsJB3B/FPLckNEfr7zzI6KIco6D9sgfkt5G+U0w65ZXdEF3BZ3+ql4s 1yhVnnvl9WvDW2d3e+EGuADGu7RBNW9PLw+U7DfUrqbaBqw3PUgoap8BMaxz+9mKpyXm 66L88mCLloUijBh7AuWRXCf6bmwUB0Y/fE0lMRa2ZkBYmglZjXUuTQEGmG/enaLDoSkU Q39kWyqqr2eEjmM7FU2WSzVMTkxpdw3CiXj+nTXVbHalsbyMXUOnyQZf+LJ6E/OpXf32 MY2kCTOR76HaFKXiM3J1Jja2Do5XRy0apiZvQuR6F6T/Lc/yqx+oOPzFBu3eQJ3CEXDi FGfA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1703601836; x=1704206636; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=0JjptW4udBuWrfQpL4wuHtm5HaVEiy+8DIQ+JNiPf74=; b=k03k1yA9SrJgM60hansUQZWAsIwKyhH0WfHIxOCQOIMkYHGx/YaSiLf5FlY+sBKYAz 1SRg7NcptxG+5z5O5gxzs0zpB2+CiOJduESQsnPZw0k+mbeO0p0wcPheN4vtMhld8bbQ 94yFrFI96wcIxd74H4kPgz59mZlevPkCWZmITTtGgiioPubnL+u71kzVk3eAqlh+AN8k HNKJB7OzXBoAhevi4bmwMvc8dhFmc2u4Wblz/oX51eAJNbEZEnYJV8a0lUaDMPsRBcmu CfHr4ayz06D2y+QkIdhEz6YkzpSmu6F6hqgb/2pidDjrbNMPaQUsGzTnq/ksmAUI6911 VwYw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwJmZmb9nFO1qtRD2tExuGOGU8S3Fovad1izJsT4RVLVCJfT4hj SsBrim4Iv1INvC9NjOWt8t4MQCrAkjo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF4lhANrxSzsY8BdSPCHfKfjaFZngnURw1yTnrf5dt4zJ/xy+172mEP2rW3NpRW1QO3Qezbyw== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:5405:0:b0:336:4b14:bed9 with SMTP id g5-20020a5d5405000000b003364b14bed9mr3370585wrv.6.1703601836311; Tue, 26 Dec 2023 06:43:56 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from hirondell ([2a01:cb14:290:f00:9bec:5bdd:57a4:14ff]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y17-20020adff151000000b003366aad3564sm12868011wro.30.2023.12.26.06.43.55 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 26 Dec 2023 06:43:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83frzq9kv9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 25 Dec 2023 20:51:06 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::435; envelope-from=kevin.legouguec@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x435.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314225 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> From: Karl Fogel >> >> Cc: Stefan Kangas , emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 10:34:32 -0500 >> >>=20 >> >> "The inspection" can be an arbitrarily complex process, during=20 >> >> which the user should have all the usual power of Emacs available. >> > >> > You always have the possibility of aborting the connection with C-g >> > and then doing all those arbitrarily complex processes. >>=20 >> But C-g dismisses the *Certificate Details* buffer, so that makes an >> "arbitrarily complex" inspection somewhat hard to proceed with? > > Who said that those complex processes need those details? No > specifics were brought up about those complex processes, so we are all > basically waving hands, and each one of us has some different mental > picture about what's involved. This doesn't tend to lead towards > effective discussion with any useful outcome. (Point taken) >> All I can say is that the first time I met this prompt, my reflexes were >>=20 >> * C-x o - "Ah, right; rmc, can't do that" >> * C-g; C-x b Cert TAB - "Oh, drats; the buffer was killed" > > I guess you haven't read the prompt, because my reflex was to type 'd' > and read there. Apologies for not being clear enough; I did read "the prompt" (the accept-choices one) and did immediately hit 'd'. In my message, "this prompt" referred to the details-choices prompt, when faced with the *Certificate Details* buffer. IOW my reflex when faced with this kind of infodump is moving point there and highlighting stuff as I read through. Full-screen paging back and forth is not my preferred reading method, even for cursory skimming. >> So FWIW (a) would have had my vote, and FWIW=C2=B2 I'd have been fine wi= th it >> being optional & off by default. But now that I know about rmc >> leveraging query-replace-map and the C-r escape hatch, no strong >> opinion. > > Thanks for sharing, so I guess your personal conclusion is that > nothing needs to be done, yes? Right, though I'd still take an opt-in knob to let *Certificate Details* linger post-quit over having to remember about recursive edits. Apologies if a convincing counter-argument has been made against such a knob; my attention to the list these past couple of days might not have been as sharp as I would have wished.