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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b8e1e0121c8294db157b7de2add4115a; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:22:45 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (JD Smith's message of "Sun, 18 Feb 2024 09:03:05 -0500") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22077 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.187.146; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic316-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316320 Archived-At: JD Smith writes: > I wonder if all agree on that point? Consider: > > git log --pretty="format:%an" lisp/progmodes/idlw*.el doc/misc/idlwave.texi | perl -ne 'chomp; $a{$_}++; END{foreach $n (sort {@a{$b} > <=> @a{$a}} keys %a) {printf("%30s\t%s\n",$n,"+" x $a{$n})}}' > > This reveals that an impressive 39 individual maintainers have had > their hand in the code over the last 20 years, some with more than 80 > commits. Yes, many of these are find/replace typos or other "no > additional cost" commits, but many are not. They're accomplished fact, and (with the exception of automated commits) only exist because what little cost they embodied was consciously evaluated by their authors and not deemed unacceptable. In turn, an unacceptable burden cannot ever arise, since none of us would ever assume it. As regards the impact of moving to ELPA, search the emacs-elpa-diffs mailing list for changes by Emacs developers, notably Stefan Monnier. You will discover that our attitude towards ELPA packages is not so hands-off as you assume, and that they are on decent footing where maintenance is concerned.