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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316443 Archived-At: Philip Kaludercic writes: >> Let's remove Helm from NonGNU, then: its UI paradigm is also different >> from the core Emacs, and IMHO it's rather ugly. [Not sure who wrote this] but anyway, saying a package is ugly just because it provides a different UI than Emacs is unfair at best. Helm is and is still one of the best completion package (but not only) around here and I made a lot of work for this, so please be respectful of my work or provide constructive critics. >> And swiper/ivy from ELPA, just because. Same here, a very good package and there is a lot of work behind this, so... > While I am not a fan of Helm, it was initially added to provide popular > packages that a number of people appeared to want to use. Luckily these > packages fall into the category of providing the front-end of a shared > interface (completing-read; and that not without issues, because they > tend to abuse completing-read's text expansion idea by focusing on > narrowing and selecting). And yes, there are packages that have hard > dependencies on Helm, but usually when people submit these kinds of > packages, we at least mention the idea of trying to generalise them, so > that the front- and back-end can be disentangled from one another. Helm is providing a full support on Emacs completion mechanism (completing-read, completion-in-region etc...), Emacs styles included. -- Thierry