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From: Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: An anonymous IRC user's opinion
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 22:20:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8734l5kozw.fsf@dataswamp.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E1syNOg-0004aI-CU@fencepost.gnu.org

Richard Stallman wrote:

>> You read the manuals for your TI-83 scientific calculator
>> and Makita impact driver as well?
>
> I have a feeling that question is sarcastic.

Oh, I'm never sarcastic. People never understand what I mean,
here and in life in geneal, just imagine how it would be if
I went around being sarcastic. Now you made me think ...

What I meant was: Does he read ALL tech manuals?

Or just SOME? If he reads some, is it because some stuff is
more complicated or is it because some stuff - that he cares
more for it and is more active with and around it?

> Sarcasm make the point unclear, so it leads to
> misunderstandings and confusion. I don't use either of those
> products, so I can't guess what the point was.
>
> Also, it tends to suggest hostility (even if none is
> actually meant). That often hurts feelings and makes the
> discussion acrimonious.
>
> Therefore we ask people to avoid sarcasm in our discussions.
> See https://gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html.

Yes, I know, and I agree. You could add a paragraph what you
should do when you feel hurt. Not when you feel a lot hurt,
then instinct takes over anyway, but when you go from happy to
sad because of something someone said, be it the thing itself
or how it was formulated and put forward.

The only thing I've come up with is immediately as yourself,
"did this person intend to be a jerk to you?" I have found
that whatever answer you reach, it tends to have removed some
of the hurtness already.

You can also visualize yourself from the outside. You see
a guy with a keyboard, not feeling good, hurting, even, and
you see it is you, but still you have removed yourself from
pain and you can stay out as long as needed, and when you
return, you know about the pain, because it happened, and you
remember it, but you don't FEEL it in the same way.

-- 
underground experts united
https://dataswamp.org/~incal




  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-09 20:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-06  7:32 An anonymous IRC user's opinion Abraham S.A.H. via Emacs development discussions.
2024-10-06  8:10 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06  8:44 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-06  9:01   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06  9:09   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06  9:32   ` Abraham S.A.H. via Emacs development discussions.
2024-10-06 11:28     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-06 13:10       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06 12:55     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-09  3:29       ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-09 20:20         ` Emanuel Berg [this message]
2024-10-10  8:57           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-09  3:30   ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-09  6:48     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-09 20:22       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-09 11:09     ` Johan Myréen
2024-10-09 13:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-09 13:38         ` tomas
2024-10-09 16:02         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-09 16:22           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-09 21:55           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-10  7:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-10  9:35               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-10 10:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-13  3:29               ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-10  6:07           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-09 16:06         ` Johan Myréen
2024-10-09 16:12           ` Ship Mints
2024-10-09 16:25           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-09 21:25         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-10  4:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-10  5:14             ` Xiyue Deng
2024-10-10  6:36               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-10  6:59                 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-10-11 20:30             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-12  7:34               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-12 20:27                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-12 21:00                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-13  4:53                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-13  6:28                       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-13  4:41                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-13  9:37                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-13 10:39                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-13 15:31                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-13 15:53                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-14  9:32                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-14 11:09                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-10-15  1:41                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-14 14:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-15  1:36                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-10-15 12:03                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-03  3:10                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-03  6:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-03 19:24                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-04 12:04                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 12:11                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 17:41                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-04 19:18                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 20:59                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-05 12:11                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 17:05                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-05 17:28                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 19:40                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-05 19:53                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 20:59                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-06 12:15                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-06 12:46                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-06 13:25                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-06 16:07                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-06 17:14                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-19  2:44                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-05 13:21                                                 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-11-05 13:47                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 16:52                                                     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-11-05 17:22                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 17:49                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-05 19:23                                                           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-11-06  0:09                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-06  9:35                                                               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-11-06  9:59                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-07 14:16                                                                 ` Automatic Suggestion of Packages Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-07 16:07                                                                   ` Visuwesh
2024-11-07 21:50                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-08  4:15                                                                       ` Visuwesh
2024-11-08  4:29                                                                         ` Visuwesh
2024-11-08 14:02                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-08 15:44                                                                           ` Visuwesh
2024-11-08 16:23                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-11 20:07                                                                   ` Mekeor Melire
2024-11-12  3:00                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-10-13 10:52                       ` An anonymous IRC user's opinion Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-10 13:58     ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-10 14:45       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-12  3:19         ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-10-06  5:31 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-10-06  6:04 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06  9:06 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-06  9:10   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-06 10:31   ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-10-07 21:17     ` John ff
2024-10-13  3:29   ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-01 20:09 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2024-10-04 16:25 ` Eduardo Ochs
2024-10-04 18:10   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-04 18:30     ` Eduardo Ochs
2024-10-04 19:24       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-04 20:37         ` Eduardo Ochs
2024-10-05  8:41           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-05 12:57             ` Eduardo Ochs
2024-10-05 13:21               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-05 15:57               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-09  3:30               ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-09  7:04                 ` Eduardo Ochs
2024-10-07  3:54     ` Richard Stallman
2024-10-07  4:14       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-07 14:27         ` Ship Mints
2024-10-07 14:46           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-07 10:31       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-10  0:22 ` chad

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