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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325142 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Though I think the disagreement hints that there=E2=80=99s something more >> general that=E2=80=99s not as good as it could be: discoverability. > > Discoverability doesn't mean the things need to be in my face. It > means they are easy to discover _when_I_need_them_. That=E2=80=99s what I also wish for, yes. >> For keybindings, which-key-mode mostly solves that for me. > > which-key-mode will not help you discover key bindings of packages you > haven't loaded into your session. Fully agreed. It=E2=80=99s a hint for possible solutions, not a solution to discoverability of packages. >> But I don=E2=80=99t know a way to finding that there=E2=80=99s a feature= that could >> help me isn=E2=80=99t better. > > Emacs has several Help commands specifically designed to ease > discoverability. Take a look at the beginning of the Help chapter in > the Emacs user manual, where these facilities are described. C-h p is neat! (I didn=E2=80=99t know about it =E2=80=94 thank you!) Most packages it shows me are built-in. Do I guess it right that the reason is that most elpa and melpa packages don=E2=80=99t use package keywo= rds? If yes, that would give a clear way forward to improve discoverability that does not depend on the core development team: file pull-requests with packages to include the matching keywords. That would be a nice task for a collaborative Emacs user hackathon. Is there something similar for file-extensions? I did not find that in the help page of the manual. 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