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[70.26.179.129]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d75a77b69052e-46a3e6a62d0sm150973251cf.49.2025.01.03.17.28.21 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 03 Jan 2025 17:28:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <67788718.170a0220.116636.4451SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar"'s message of "Sat, 04 Jan 2025 02:55:51 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::843; envelope-from=suhailsingh247@gmail.com; helo=mail-qt1-x843.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 04 Jan 2025 01:49:11 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327650 Archived-At: Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar writes: > If we want to improve info in general, Emacs package.el repositories are > not the best option. > It should be easy to package the missing manuals for the major package > formats and possibly provide packages for other distribution which don't > include the manuals. The last option would be to provide download > options for the info files. While you provide other options, it's not clear why ELPA repositories aren't a good fit. ELPA repositories are platform-agnostic and would provide access to Info manuals wherever Emacs runs. Additionally, Emacs provides one of the better Info readers, and implicit in the fact that we are discussing this on emacs-devel is the assumption that the intended users are Emacs users. Improving the existing package definitions in the "major package formats", though helpful, is orthogonal in my opinion. Providing access to Info manuals via ELPA repositories in no way prevents these efforts. However, emacs-devel may not be the best place to discuss such efforts. > Fixing the license of the manuals would also go a long way of including > these manuals. Trying to use the resources of the FSF to reach out and > try to rectify such long standing issues would help very much. > Such things are not possible for individual contributors I'd say. Do you have examples of manuals whose existing license constraints would hinder their inclusion in NonGNU ELPA? >> Are there reasons why NonGNU ELPA wouldn't be a good place to host such >> Info manuals? >> >>> b. Write software to find the desired manual, fetch it, and install it >>> on your computer. >> >> If the Info manuals were hosted on NonGNU ELPA, then package.el already >> provides this. >> > > Emacs specific. Emacs specific is okay. --=20 Suhail