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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248907 Archived-At: On 04.05.2020 21:57, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Among the 2-3 people who participated in the highly technical >> bug-report/discussion about the display engine? Please be serious. That >> doesn't reflect the opinions even across emacs-devel, much less the >> community at large. > Those were all the people who participated in the discussion. > Everyone who cared. Obviously not. >> In any case, I don't see that particular change affecting the experience >> of new Emacs users much one way or another (as long as all the themes >> work). Thus it's not a great example of Emacs "adapting" to contemporary >> user expectations. > Then I'm sorry to say it, but you have learned nothing from that > event. Nothing useful, anyway. Too bad. Are you the final authority on who learned what, and on things that are there to learn?