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From: Stephen Berman <Stephen.Berman@gmx.net>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Initial splash screen
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:43:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871wg354tn.fsf@escher.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 85wsxvb29p.fsf@lola.goethe.zz

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:42:10 +0200 David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> wrote:

> Stephen Berman <Stephen.Berman@gmx.net> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:53:29 -0400 Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I won't reject this, but I am not sure if it is really more
>>> convenient.  To have to answer the question may be more
>>> inconvenient than to be shown the splash screen.  People will say
>>> "turn it off" because they don't want to be asked the question, not
>>> because of the splash screen itself.
>>
>> You may be right; I don't know.  But at least the question can force
>> them to take notice of the splash screen.
>
> There is a name for an interface forcibly stopping people from
> starting to work before they have presumably perused something: it is
> "nagware".  We should focus on making Emacs convenient for people, not
> making people convenient for Emacs.  The latter does not work, anyway.

You may be right that it doesn't work, I don't know; but I don't think
this form of nagging is any (or at least notably) worse than others
set by default in Emacs but that can be turned off by users.  And
again (and for the last time!), I am suggesting that the opportunity
to turn this off be immediately provided, and in the context of
showing the important information.  However, ...

> Personally, I'd use (message "Check the \"Help/About Emacs\" menu
> entry for basic usage pointers.")  when Emacs is started with file
> names on the command line.

... this is a good idea, and I agree better than showing the splash
screen (at least after the first invocation by a user).  Whether the
message gets shown should also be configurable.

Steve Berman

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-23 10:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-21  3:49 A wish, a plea Hacksaw
2007-06-21 18:50 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-21 18:57   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-21 19:12     ` Davis Herring
2007-06-22 16:24       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-21 18:55 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-22  3:59   ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 19:07     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-21 19:17     ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-21 21:53       ` Frank Schmitt
2007-06-22  0:36       ` Taylor Venable
2007-06-21 19:43     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22  3:57 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 20:56   ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22  6:27     ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 21:36       ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 16:24       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 17:27         ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 21:53           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-21 21:19   ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-21 21:26     ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22  6:36     ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 22:08       ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-21 23:04         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22  6:51           ` csant
2007-06-22 16:24           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 17:12             ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 21:53               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 20:47               ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-25 21:05                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 21:30                   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-25 21:30                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22  8:03         ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-22  8:11           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22  8:21             ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22  8:33             ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 12:37               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-22 12:43                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 12:51                   ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 13:08                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 13:16                       ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 12:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-22 18:46                 ` Glenn Morris
2007-06-22 19:50                   ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 19:58                     ` Glenn Morris
2007-06-22 20:22                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-22 10:23             ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 11:43               ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-22 14:19                 ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 20:09                   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 23:07                     ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 21:53               ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 22:11                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-23 13:19                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 14:57                     ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-22 22:46                 ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Stephen Berman
2007-06-23  6:42                   ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-23 10:43                     ` Stephen Berman [this message]
2007-06-23 18:27                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 19:05                       ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 13:19                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 13:34                           ` Mathias Dahl
2007-06-25 13:38                             ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 18:51             ` A wish, a plea Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 20:05               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 13:19                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 14:45                   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 19:39                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-24 14:41                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 19:02             ` Ryan Yeske
2007-06-28  1:04             ` Davis Herring
2007-06-22 16:24         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 16:36           ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 21:53             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23  6:21               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 18:27                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 18:58                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-06-23 19:07                   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-24 14:41                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 19:47                   ` Hacksaw
2007-06-24 15:13                     ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-24 17:18                       ` Hacksaw
2007-06-24 23:46                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25  8:07                           ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-21 23:18       ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-22  7:57       ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-22  8:01         ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22  8:16         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22  8:32           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22  9:06             ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22  9:20               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22  9:55                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22  8:01 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-22  8:15   ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22  8:19   ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-22 11:58     ` David House
2007-06-22  8:20   ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 13:19     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 13:33       ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 14:23       ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-22 14:34         ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 15:10           ` David House
2007-06-22 15:31         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-23 23:48       ` Johan Bockgård
2007-06-24  0:06         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24  0:15           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-24  1:17             ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 10:15               ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-24 14:05                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 14:22                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-24 14:28                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 20:47         ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-25 21:28           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22  8:41   ` Glyn Millington
2007-06-22 11:54     ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 12:33       ` Glyn Millington
2007-06-22  9:03   ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 14:02   ` Denis Bueno

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