From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dieter Wilhelm Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggestion for C-t (transpose-chars) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:29:09 +0200 Organization: The Church of Emacs Message-ID: <871wefjaoq.fsf@debby.local.net> References: <87lkdbl8az.fsf@debby.local.net> <871wf2lxb2.fsf@debby.local.net> <874pjq4rmv.fsf@debby.local.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1186522155 5709 80.91.229.12 (7 Aug 2007 21:29:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 07 23:29:13 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IIWc3-0000Yb-D1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:29:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIWc1-0004Jn-Gz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:29:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IIWbv-0004HS-2R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:29:03 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IIWbt-0004GS-Cr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:29:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIWbt-0004GN-3n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:29:01 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.188]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IIWbB-0007SQ-JD; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:28:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [89.12.127.14] (helo=debby.local.net) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML31I-1IIWaw14Ib-0003ea; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:28:02 +0200 Original-Received: from dieter by debby.local.net with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IIWc1-00015a-LB; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:29:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue\, 31 Jul 2007 13\:05\:56 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/OLzBxyaDktGxWw6vZzZwIDi4VAHGKKEv4u3v 67LzIQeh7e7OgDzAbPHSZRhlwxQktvthLtZp5P1dta+V6/wpKA kWXTnDswBZP0lxO5I9EeUx/LwYbNsm0 X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:76164 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > C-t's argument handling should be consistent with M-t and C-M-t. As I've already written to S. Monnier, I would break the nice symmetry. Since the reasons for using C-t and M-t, C-M-t are stemming from different sources. Transposing characters is typing related, confusing words and sexps is probably another brain defect ;-). Thus the effects are also mostly different: Neighbouring characters are merely exchanged but the structure of words/sexps seem often stronger disturbed. > Right now, the argument is equivalent to a repeat count. That is > conceptually simple. A priori we should prefer that. However, if > users generally prefer your change, that would outweigh the advantage > of conceptual simplicity. I understand that when nobody shows interest I shall drop the subject. No problem with this, I consider it a wise approach. > > Thus, the next step is to ask people to try it and see how they > respond. I'll try at some stage, thanks. ------------------------------ P.S.: I'd also like to preserve the old behaviour of C-t with a switch. I seems that--for my typing style--in seldom cases it is desirable as well. -- Best wishes H. Dieter Wilhelm Darmstadt, Germany