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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:87380 Archived-At: On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:53:05 -0500, Sam Steingold said: > Richard Stallman wrote: >> Would you like to volunteer to try one of the candidate bug trackers >> using only email, and see how well it works? > In my experience, "e-mail - operated bug trackers" (e.g., RT) are much > worse than simple mailing lists. specifically, if you use more than > one e-mail address (as I do), they turn into an unmitigated disaster > because they tend to require that you reply using the same address > which was used when you first submitted the issue &c. This is certainly not a limitation of the Debian bug tracking system, debbugs, since it does not require people to be "registered". Having used this for almost a decade, I can say that in my personal opinion, debbugs has outperformed any othe issue tracking system I have used (I ahve run bugzilla and request tracker for my day job). This is how it works: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control Debbugs keeps track of which versions of the software various issues are related to, and has a web front end for viewing. The web frontend can be ordered by various ways; please see the difference between: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=debian-policy&users=srivasta@debian.org&ordering=policy and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=debian-policy Same package, same bugs, but ordered in a totally different fashion; and any user can set up their own classification and order, independently of anyone else, and share the classification/order for the bugs. Also, people can track the same issue across different packages individually without needing sysadmin intervention; hewre are bugs that are deemed to be release critical and affect arm, m68k, s390, and sparc: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=tag&users=debian-release@lists.debian.org&tag=rc-arm,rc-m68k,rc-s390,rc-sparc&nam0=Status&pri0=pending:pending,forwarded,pending-fixed,fixed,done&ttl0=Outstanding,Forwarded,Pending%20Upload,Fixed%20in%20NMU,Resolved&nam1=Architecture&pri1=tag:rc-arm,rc-m68k,rc-s390,rc-sparc&ttl1=arm,m68k,s390,sparc&ord1=0,1,2,3 Please do not think that debbugs is yet anotherrun of the mill system with the flaws of other bug systems; it truly stands alone. manoj ps: here is a refcard for the system: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-refcard -- "Unemployment is an inconvenience." John F. Haugh II Manoj Srivastava 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C