From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-software-20021231 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:37:39 -0500 Message-ID: <871vxo14gs.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226036266 17256 80.91.229.12 (7 Nov 2008 05:37:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 05:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 07 06:38:48 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KyK3S-0005eu-KB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:38:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51172 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyK2L-0000yR-4n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:37:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyK2G-0000yI-QG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:37:32 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyK2E-0000xK-9W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:37:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47619 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyK2E-0000xC-46 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:37:30 -0500 Original-Received: from cyd.mit.edu ([18.115.2.24]:57559) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KyK2C-0004uR-VQ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:37:29 -0500 Original-Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4DF1D57E0BE; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:37:39 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:57:32 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:105426 Archived-At: "Richard M. Stallman" writes: > That is a free software license. "Without fee or royalty" means you > don't have to pay to redistribute it. So we can use those files, > but we have to maintain the copyright notices and license notices. > > How did they get lost? They were never "lost" --- AFAICT, it's not customary to distribute DTD files with copyright and license information, but clearly we have different standards. Anyhow, I've added notices now. > Also, we have to distribute the source code. Someone said these files > are the result of "transforming" some other files. What kind of > "transforming" was it? If it is automated, then maybe these files > are the real source code. The original files are in XML format. It doesn't make sense to distribute these files, and thinking of them as "source code" is dubious, because (i) it's trivial to perform the reverse transformation, and (ii) the whole point of distributing .rnc files is that .rnc files are easier and clearer for humans to read than XML---exactly the opposite of the "source code"/"object code" paradigm!