From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Rose Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Inadequate documentation of silly characters on screen. Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:52:35 +0100 Message-ID: <871vjqglrw.fsf@gmx.de> References: <20091118191258.GA2676@muc.de> <20091119082040.GA1720@muc.de> <87aayitvoy.fsf@wanchan.jasonrumney.net> <87ocmyf6so.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87vdh57tp2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <878we1ekb0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87hbso347j.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <877htk2xbk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87lji0awh8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <876394dlsr.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <877htkaqri.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87y6lzdat8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87my2f8nh5.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87my2fbb7z.fsf@gmx.de> <87pr7b6l1l.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258933987 24691 80.91.229.12 (22 Nov 2009 23:53:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 23 00:53:00 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NCMEj-0003dN-PJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:52:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34897 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCMEj-0002R6-7J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:52:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCMEe-0002R0-Km for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:52:52 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCMEZ-0002QL-2w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:52:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55903 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCMEY-0002QA-Tz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:52:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:36714) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NCMEY-0003dh-6s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:52:46 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Nov 2009 23:52:43 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (EHLO beteigeuze.gmx.de) [188.46.88.172] by mail.gmx.net (mp005) with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 00:52:43 +0100 X-Authenticated: #8529601 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/v+R5DZnHvYZgMdAz0a+KMIEcNo0KBakIHoTzooO SREakxe6azzYwW In-Reply-To: <87pr7b6l1l.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:06:14 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117523 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > Sebastian Rose writes: > >> David Kastrup writes: >>> "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: >>> >>>> David Kastrup writes: >>>> > "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: >>>> >>>> > > I meant pre-existing corruption [...] >>>> > >>>> > That interpretation is not the business of the editor. >>>> >>>> Precisely my point. The editor has *no* way to interpret at the point >>>> of encountering the invalid sequence, and therefore it should *stop* >>>> and ask the user what to do. That doesn't mean it should throw away >>>> the data, but it sure does mean that it should not continue as though >>>> there is valid data in the buffer. >>>> >>>> Emacs is welcome to do that, but I am sure you will get bug reports >>>> about it. >>> >>> Why would we get a bug report about Emacs saving a file changed only in >>> the locations that the user actually edited? >>> >>> People might complain when Emacs does not recognize some encoding >>> properly, but they certainly will not demand that Emacs should stop >>> working altogether. >> >> >> People do indeed complain on the emacs-orgmode mailing list and I can >> reproduce their problems. > > What meaning of "indeed" are you using here? This is a complaint about > Emacs _not_ faithfully replicating a byte pattern that it expects to be > in a particular encoding. > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg19778.html >> >> I guess this is related? > > It is related, but it bolsters rather than defeats my argument. > > People don't _like_ Emacs to cop out altogether. Sorry David. This was not meant as an argument. It was more a question because I was a bit unsure if this was related (I did not follow thread that closely). And in that case, the OP reported, that Emacs indeed refused to work, in that it didn't want to save the file (which I cannot fully reproduce). I didn't mean to highjack this thread though. Thanks for your answer anyway Sebastiab