From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GNU Emacs is on Bazaar now. Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:47:35 +0900 Message-ID: <871viepn48.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87d4206n80.fsf@canonical.com> <87637qhjqu.fsf@red-bean.com> <87fx6urat1.fsf@telefonica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1262050644 16427 80.91.229.12 (29 Dec 2009 01:37:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 29 02:37:16 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NPR1O-0004EG-Ld for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 02:37:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45272 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NPR1L-0001QU-SK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:37:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NPR1G-0001Q5-U1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:37:06 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NPR1C-0001P3-GJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:37:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40871 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NPR1C-0001Os-8T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:37:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:36697) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NPR1B-0007Zl-Lo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:37:01 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58D5820D; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:36:59 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 21A971A33D7; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:47:36 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87fx6urat1.fsf@telefonica.net> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" 1444e28f1a3d XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:118899 Archived-At: =D3scar Fuentes writes: > Given the slow commit rate on the Emacs project, I see no problem using > the quickfixes branch on a CVS-like way: bind it to upstream This encourages antisocial practices like per-file commits, and committing ChangeLog separate from the changes. Cf. the OP's description of his workflow. It gets in the way of use of Bazaar features like "bzr log -n#" for other developers. That is a problem, if Emacs chooses to see it that way. If Emacs has no intention of improving its common workflow, then it's not a problem. But if that's going to happen, there should be discussion of whether folks like the OP (who is in good company with the likes of rms and eliz) should be asked to invest the effort in a forward-compatible workflow now, or if Emacs should wait to make such improvements until the old-style workers are good and ready to accept such changes (presumably due to retirement, since it will be just as hard later as it is now, so they'll resist it then, too).