From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: MS-Windows build broken in Fmake_network_process Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:59:07 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123306 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > For that reason, people with some interest in the rights to their own > computer may keep an older Windows installation around for software that > can't run on free platforms. Usually off-net since Microsoft does no > security updates to those versions. > > If there is a substantial pattern of running Emacs on Windows 9 on > machines off the net, that means it would be useful to support Windows > 9. As I said, I doubt that the installations I am thinking of (like mine) have need for a text editor. It's probably more relevant that people may be running old systems in the third world, and "upgrading" is not an option due to computing resources and (non-OEM) operating system pricing (if people can be bothered about the legality of their copies). There probably are not many Emacs users on those systems either. > We still have no commitment to support any nonfree operating system. > The users who want this are welcome to work on it. Well, I thought that the topic of _this_ discussion was at what time it becomes ok to rip out existing support for older systems. I have no idea. I was just countering the statement that there is no use case for older Windows systems. With me, the licensing conditions of newer systems (and their net-requiring phone-home functionality I can't afford without the ability to do security updates) are prohibitive. But my use cases indeed do not require Emacs. -- David Kastrup