From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Patch for fields of `struct buffer' Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 21:09:20 +0900 Message-ID: <871v3s3qj3.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1296562686 14771 80.91.229.12 (1 Feb 2011 12:18:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 12:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Tom Tromey , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 01 13:18:01 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PkFBI-0000e2-HQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 13:18:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38704 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PkFBC-0002pV-HI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:17:54 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42603 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PkFB7-0002pG-LQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:17:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PkFB6-0007e6-TP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:17:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:43729) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PkFB6-0007dg-KV; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:17:48 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751729705E1; Tue, 1 Feb 2011 21:17:46 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7279E1A3007; Tue, 1 Feb 2011 21:09:20 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" ed3b274cc037 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:135399 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > > I don't think preemptive thread switching is a sensible goal. It is > > so much trouble that it isn't worth doing even in the long term. > > I don't think we will get to choose. FWIW, Guido Van Rossum is about +0.5 in Richard's camp. Simon Peyton-Jones seemed pretty optimistic about STM in his "Beautiful Code" chapter, but the Haskell programmers I know say it doesn't work nearly so well in their practical programs. So, maybe we will lose all our non-genius programmers if we don't do threads. Then again, maybe not.