From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Vijay Lakshminarayanan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Git mirrors Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 09:09:42 +0530 Message-ID: <871uubge81.fsf@gmail.com> References: <871uuksdxi.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lissh32y.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87zkh8e286.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87d3e4gttq.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ehyjrhxh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d3e2rfte.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <878voqfiaw.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87zkh4bhho.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87y5wonpmn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87y5wkosuh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <877h43h8pp.fsf@gmail.com> <878vojxy12.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318909210 10941 80.91.229.12 (18 Oct 2011 03:40:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 03:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juanma Barranquero , "Stephen J. Turnbull" , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 18 05:40:05 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RG0X6-0002rx-Pd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:40:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51161 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RG0X6-0005GG-9D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:40:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54336) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RG0X2-0005Ex-Jz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:40:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RG0X1-0003HS-4T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:40:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pz0-f47.google.com ([209.85.210.47]:44946) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RG0X0-0003GJ-T3; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:39:59 -0400 Original-Received: by pzd13 with SMTP id 13so525299pzd.6 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:39:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZJa1C7I64WLFHmAZ0HxkWEKL6cDIa+Z3Xd8q9E04bRo=; b=J8n7tiVXCYet6fnwEaNxFE4YpZig5qru1waV0EPRWBB0FR+R94KqY6FMwmHHwl8QCM VSFzPd7Ueyz17aCc5hF4M2fiFPTfWifOjM/+od3GD5GYpI2EL3TwA+h3AIed3O908Bgp 3k6ueDFfluHDyGuLbaaToYD3ognfywHLis+og= Original-Received: by 10.68.17.225 with SMTP id r1mr1840970pbd.64.1318909196205; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from BALROG ([59.92.33.248]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y4sm2814177pbe.4.2011.10.17.20.39.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:39:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <878vojxy12.fsf@wanadoo.es> (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22=D3scar?= Fuentes"'s message of "Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:39:53 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (windows-nt) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.47 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:145285 Archived-At: =D3scar Fuentes writes: > Vijay Lakshminarayanan writes: > >> "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: >> >>> > > But your analogy fails, because the problem here is not whether >>> > > =D3scar can *adapt* to Emacs' use of bzr. =A0He can, and he can us= e git >>> > > (for developing Emacs) at the same time as bzr (for pushing his >>> > > contributions) if he wants to. >>> >=20 >>> > Apparently, for =D3scar is a problem. >>> >>> Why do you keep ignoring what he writes? Yes, he *wishes* Emacs used >>> git, but in this thread, he wants to know why GNU uses a policy that >>> appears to him to be counterproductive in a number of ways. >> >> I think =D3scar's questions have been answered. > > No. That surprises me. Quoting an exchange we had earlier: ,---- | > For the nth time: I want to know why such policy is considered good for | > the Free Software cause (being GNU an instrument of such cause),=20 |=20 | The reason to support GNU projects over others is that it is the stated | goal of GNU that all distributed software should be Free and copylefted | by law. To this end, any software project that shares the same goals | will be supported. `---- http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-10/msg00527.html [snip] >> Hopefully =D3scar understands the GNU project better with this thread. >> That will be, IMO, the only good thing to come out of this huge >> flamewar. > > Flamewar who?=20 You have people citing comments by each other and calling them ad hominem. You have exchanges calling git/bzr unusable/unintuitive/broken. There's more. All the characteristics of a flamewar to me. Note: I didn't say /you/ alone were responsible for the entire flamewar. (A one man flamewar has a better name: troll ;-) ) > I made a series of questions about how GNU policies affect > non-GNU *FREE* software and how that fits the Free Software cause as a > whole. Because GNU is just an instrument of the FSF to promote Free > Software, and that may be at odds with such policies. Some people > (including you) insist on talking about unrelated issues (Skype, > my-dvcs-is-better-than-yours, etc.) Richard's comments about the git vs bzr: ,---- | Git is simply a rival. We are not against it, but GNU Project | activities ought to promote the GNU package for this job. `---- http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-10/msg00616.html ,---- | > I always thought that Free Software is about the user, always the | > user. | > | > The free software movement campaigns for users' freedom. | > So you could say it is "about the users' freedom". `---- http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-10/msg00659.html Your follow up question to the above was: ,---- | How does it help the Free Software cause to privilege projects over | other Free alternatives putting merit aside just because they have the | GNU label sticked on them? `---- I think I've answered this. --=20 Cheers ~vijay Gnus should be more complicated.