From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why was `transient-mark-mode' turned off for `delete-selection-mode'? Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:22:51 +0200 Message-ID: <871trq0yok.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <60d75d3a-d04c-4394-800b-60b65fafdb11@default> <2ffbe01d-ef46-4467-83a6-4714a192ba8b@default> <3b045884-0f98-49f3-addd-227a3c1403d1@default> <53f0f206-96ae-423b-a237-294a26f60270@default> <87ppfa1rdi.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <1e534a9c-cc81-4bd6-ab28-8427de9e07bf@default> <87a96e11ug.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1409937785 12898 80.91.229.3 (5 Sep 2014 17:23:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 05 19:22:59 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XPxDu-0005NA-1B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:22:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59262 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XPxDt-0000Uq-0j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:22:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59918) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XPxDq-0000Ud-1Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:22:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XPxDo-0002aG-Vi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:22:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45708) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XPxDo-0002aC-Sw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:22:52 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52884 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XPxDo-0002JI-Ae; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:22:52 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DF5F2E04A7; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 19:22:51 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 5 Sep 2014 10:04:21 -0700 (PDT)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174046 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> Try marking a region in emacs -Q with _any_ of the mouse, or with >> shift-cursor, or with C-SPC and some movement. Then type DEL. >> You'll see that _any_ way of marking a highlighted region will >> cause DEL to delete that region. > > Yes, you are right...since Emacs 24. The mouse is no longer > exceptional in this respect. I was wrong about that. > > Are you glad that deletion-key-deletes-highlighted-selection > behavior was extended beyond the mouse in this way? Are you > now OK with this behavior in Emacs, in spite of swearing > about it when you encounter it outside Emacs? Yes? Good. Can you please stop making up fantasies about me? First, this behavior is _only_ happening for typing DEL, _not_ for typing an arbitrary character, so you are again manipulatively changing the topic. Second, even then it gets in the way but since it is for a _single_ key only (rather than for _any_ key), it occurs rarely enough that I have not bothered to actively override it yet. I probably should since I use double right click for deleting with a mouse and C-w for deleting with the keyboard anyway. > So I guess it is just the type-to-replace part of d-s mode > that you still don't like. > > Funny how "one can get used to getting annoyed"... and even > come to appreciate or prefer (?!) formerly annoying behavior... I don't think I will bother replying to you any more. Your way of twisting words and topics and doling out insinuations is disgusting. If you cannot argue for your goals in an upright manner respecting the integrity and opinion of others, you are not going to convince anybody. You may hope to annoy them into submission. I consider that despicable. -- David Kastrup