From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Everyone, please stop making my life more difficult Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:35:25 +0200 Message-ID: <871trgefw2.fsf@zigzag.favinet> References: <20140912043652.4D6D8380604@snark.thyrsus.com> <83zje56ymd.fsf@gnu.org> <20140912083430.GA32586@thyrsus.com> <87mwa59i1r.fsf@igel.home> <87ioksx5v8.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20140912161240.GB5086@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1410553930 26319 80.91.229.3 (12 Sep 2014 20:32:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 20:32:10 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 12 22:32:03 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XSXVi-0005ey-N6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:32:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47281 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XSXVi-0000SA-A6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:32:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35867) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XSXVO-0000Qm-OU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:31:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XSXVI-0007ai-7u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:31:42 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp205.alice.it ([82.57.200.101]:47671) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XSXVH-0007aC-Tz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:31:36 -0400 Original-Received: from zigzag.favinet (79.54.69.14) by smtp205.alice.it (8.6.060.43) id 540D86EF0141D35A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:31:34 +0200 Original-Received: from ttn by zigzag.favinet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XSXZ9-0000rB-MO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:35:35 +0200 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:06:19 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 82.57.200.101 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174256 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable () Stefan Monnier () Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:06:19 -0400 In text such as ChangeLog and commit messages (i.e. for human consumption), please use something human can understand, typically author + date. The fact that it can be ambiguous is not a serious concern, AFAIK, and human should/will be able to figure out what was meant. I am a human, and find using YYYY-MM-DD, "TITLE", e.g.: 2014-06-20, "Diagnose failures due to colons in directory names (Bug#17278)" to be relatively easy to manage. (The comma and quotes make writing such refs in paragraphs more "natural".) I was initially offended by lack of WHO, but no longer. There is no real win to pointing the finger at a single person, when often the mistake is a shared misconception. The date is the commit date, as that is what is recorded in the ChangeLog files, and the primary venue for such references. I made this suggestion before during previous gyrations, however i didn't mention my humanity, which i suppose is the only excuse for this noise. Enough! Over and out! =2D-=20 Thien-Thi Nguyen GPG key: 4C807502 (if you're human and you know it) read my lisp: (responsep (questions 'technical) (not (via 'mailing-list))) =3D> nil --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQTWRAACgkQZwMiJEyAdQKnZgCeOQcZO5R/CM88H2qsQHAF0aR+ XhsAnizhfmPwvKC8/Xloq9cTKb7AuCbz =MfPT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--