From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Engster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bundling GNU ELPA packages Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:10:23 +0100 Message-ID: <871tpgb6gw.fsf@engster.org> References: <878ujowbnh.fsf@thinkpad-t440p.tsdh.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1415293905 9612 80.91.229.3 (6 Nov 2014 17:11:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 17:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 06 18:11:39 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XmQav-0008WS-VF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:11:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55162 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XmQav-0000C6-HD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:11:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33902) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XmQZv-0007vS-T5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:10:41 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XmQZn-0008GA-Nu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:10:35 -0500 Original-Received: from randomsample.de ([5.45.97.173]:52978) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XmQZm-0008Fm-I2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:10:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=kV5kdbUMzdv0o9gtTA+q66F22dbbpk0HJw+/ioAAkmo=; b=WEi6le471r87mohCjXzvCUGDHjHl6PuqvGSVNeRk+xMbB+T+X9W9yOmY+f8bMOw6P2gI8CAvhCf+kPLnCWN1LAsdT8z6QlWBkG+2EU3W7ndDJHMC1kCjen5Qg+cxd3Pq; Original-Received: from ip2504b377.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de ([37.4.179.119] helo=spaten) by randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XmQZl-00010T-V4; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:10:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:02:00 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.91 (gnu/linux) Mail-Followup-To: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 5.45.97.173 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:176464 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>> In Emacs-25.1, I'd like to start bundling some GNU ELPA packages into >>> Emacs. >> Now I'm curious. What's the purpose of having a package system and then >> bundling packages? > > I'm sure the XEmacs guys could tell you ;-) > > Having a package in ELPA means that it can be updated independently > from Emacs. > > Having packages in elpa.git instead of emacs.git makes their release > schedules independent. Actually, you forgot the most important thing: ELPA packages don't have to provide Changelogs... That alone would be reason enough for me to move CEDET to ELPA. Another advantage could be that you'd be able to provide security fixes through ELPA for those packages without having to do a new Emacs release (see also: Emacs 23.4), although this would involve more work to "somehow" make this automatic. -David