From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-x 8 shorthands for =?utf-8?Q?=E2=89=A4?= and =?utf-8?Q?=E2=89=A5?= Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 22:34:27 +0200 Message-ID: <871timg8fn.fsf@mbork.pl> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431376520 12765 80.91.229.3 (11 May 2015 20:35:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 20:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Kaushal , Paul Eggert , Emacs developers , Stefan Monnier , Yuri Khan To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 11 22:35:14 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YruPw-0001hL-6I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 22:35:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39523 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YruPv-0008K1-Fx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 16:35:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34699) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YruPa-0008Hv-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 16:34:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YruPW-0004qv-Mu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 16:34:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([2a01:5e00:2:52::8]:57467) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YruPV-0004qf-VB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 16:34:46 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F89F572042; Mon, 11 May 2015 22:34:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GBL8Ua1C5z47; Mon, 11 May 2015 22:34:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [109.232.24.146]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F13274F6080; Mon, 11 May 2015 22:34:31 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a01:5e00:2:52::8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:186437 Archived-At: On 2015-05-11, at 18:27, Artur Malabarba wrot= e: > 2015-05-11 16:40 GMT+01:00 Yuri Khan : >> Consider also that there is the =E2=89=AB character (U+226B MUCH GREAT= ER >> THAN), which is semantically a better match for >>. > > Good point. Since =C2=AB=C2=BB are quotation marks they could instead b= e moved > under <" and >". That's not as intuitive, but it's still easy to > remember once you see it once. > Also, most cases where a user types C-x 8 >>, they'll be looking for > the =E2=89=AB and not the =C2=BB. Not that =C2=BB isn't used, it's just= that (I think) > most people who type =C2=BB have it in their keyboard layout already. I disagree. I use =C2=AB and =C2=BB from time to time, and I /never/ wan= ted to use =E2=89=AA or =E2=89=AB. The only use-case for them is in mathematica= l formulae, where they are \ll and \gg. BTW, this means that it's trivial to input them using the TeX input method (which I have set as the default one =E2=80= =93 very handy!). And the argument of having =C2=AB and =C2=BB somewhere on the keyboard is= also not completely valid: in Polish, they are sometimes used as nested quotation marks, but they are rare enough not to present on Polish keyboards. That said, I consider using <' >' and <" >" as keybindings for single and double quotation marks reasonable enough, if that's what makes people happy. I just wanted to mention that Artur's argument was wrong, even though it was in favor of a reasonable suggestion. Best, --=20 Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University