From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uwe Brauer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: port x-symbol to GNU emacs 24. Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 18:15:20 +0000 Message-ID: <871tf57n47.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <87oaia6ict.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <837foxor1t.fsf@gnu.org> <878u9d7vdg.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87k2sxnb0e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439576179 14128 80.91.229.3 (14 Aug 2015 18:16:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 18:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 14 20:16:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZQJWL-0002xJ-3L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 20:16:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47784 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZQJWK-0000sx-8c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:16:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42155) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZQJWG-0000sa-RW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:15:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZQJWD-00063D-LO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:15:56 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:46861) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZQJWD-00061r-EJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:15:53 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZQJW6-0002k0-R4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 20:15:46 +0200 Original-Received: from 2.160.6.104 ([2.160.6.104]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 20:15:46 +0200 Original-Received: from oub by 2.160.6.104 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 20:15:46 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 39 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 2.160.6.104 Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:1Zm0BuX7P0JPGwWUcEAl9oDXHQM= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188800 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:39299 Archived-At: >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: > Uwe Brauer writes: >> > What features are those you don't see elsewhere in Emacs? (I'm >> > specifically asking about GNU Emacs, not XEmacs.) >> >> I think a picture says more than 1000 words, here is a screenshot. (I >> hope it will not be blocked). > Actually, it doesn't. This screenshot is not dissimilar what you'll get > from using AUCTeX, preview-latex and TeX-fold-mode. Well, preview-latex is actually better concerning math formula. It is equivalent for the included graphics as far GNU emacs is concerned but preview-latex is inferior concerning the graphics in Xemacs, don't know why. However the disadvantage of approach used by preview-latex is that you have run latex on the document/buffer, while for x-symbol you don't. If you modify a formula using preview-latex you have at least rerun the environment, while again in x-symbol you don't have to. Of course x-symbol is not very helpful if the formula contains fractions or matrices etc. In short both packages serve different purposes. > The main "not elsewhere" category I see are XEmacs' extensive input > modes (grid which is sort of a buffer-based menu, keyboard input methods > quite better sorted and convenient than what Quail offers and with > better feedback). But this feature I use rather seldom, since I am very much used to cdlatex. > Its buffer reencoding is a rather mixed blessing, but > it works with more than just TeX modes. Well sometimes I actually hate the reencoding, but on the other hand I usually receive a lot of latex documents in spanish with a mixture of coding, utf8 latin-1 or TeX constructs such as 'a \'a {\' a} etc etc. X-symbol deals with them in rather coherent way.