From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rasmus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should we just start dumping cl-lib? Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 16:27:34 +0200 Message-ID: <871tddtkfd.fsf@gmx.us> References: <560E0DA7.6080305@dancol.org> <560E1615.2020002@dancol.org> <83r3ld7n67.fsf@gnu.org> <874mi9a2bl.fsf@igel.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443802546 21009 80.91.229.3 (2 Oct 2015 16:15:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 16:15:46 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 02 18:15:38 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zi2zg-0001jc-Gj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 18:15:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32921 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zi2zg-0007aG-0k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:15:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40169) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zi1JO-00021b-7P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 10:27:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zi1JH-0005Sx-PU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 10:27:50 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:38900) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zi1JH-0005RW-GD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 10:27:43 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zi1JD-0007ZR-VU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 16:27:40 +0200 Original-Received: from 62.80.108.8 ([62.80.108.8]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 16:27:39 +0200 Original-Received: from rasmus by 62.80.108.8 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 16:27:39 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.80.108.8 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAAAAAByaaZbAAAAAnRSTlMA/iyWEiMAAAACYktH RAD/h4/MvwAAAAlwSFlzAAAASAAAAEgARslrPgAAAjNJREFUSMe1lsGNIzsMRH15+VQmlUqFwlAY CiMS9qDucdtuD7D78QX4YFtPJFVUSY/1l+Pxj0AbqOO36ZrfgTFytfa0EaD+DRBxTR0h4ukS+Q6Y UC2AJBZOJl+Ix1qNyYCrAhIg8xPwE4jE2DGqTqoNgjFfAEtUzDnUJRvPbYjHWhJvo6YMI+Y+JfxO yMAKN8Qu+oMA3ESfWT1WgGp4wzSCCL2p/iglZUC1Qm2ZUcY7N4Gvqj/iOoue3h88U89y9KL6Y1As CfWysvbMdHVftsCXGhqc1K5hWmABR057XPrksdYqwVWLqaqjt54x5uU8DBf1NJ97HPn1APkCdN2o EvoVeOaU5k5G6UuErcRHryiH6D9AfpuPZO2kThM4GlD388EEzcVmjhruCwCsgzgB0wYtU/c5mU2c QBOrssTMXbOrD8F/nK+gJiPKee7+GDA7NoR5WmVR+8io8FRSPV05FnfPDnHx1khENIWrusqCPlpF 8QjbVzOeUKI4z6xiyngCFJlq68W9d0oUCjWz1shF3EABNdQbUFAE5TAxKTQpKGzkdQOoUI7+l61i r1Nr5u1CqQ3kBxis/ZU6+vsFCIXq8ndTeAN9Aww2qp1D7xKMQ3Qfodj7d2S8VhNwKNAdIBuUnVLO U6Ic63wCREBZUMpayy5wrC+APFHXoetaq+iZ5XwDGveUirOGZSTIVLoPZd6E2xabPjexk3jffrl9 CUy3SD19a53OWN+fDgHydvXMf35r/I/AH5DaBVjP2kHeAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:9O9mbJ4JkECK4SbW90Z25gCcX0Y= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190705 Archived-At: Hi, Artur Malabarba writes: > Below is a list of all files which grep for ^(require 'cl-lib), which > means they require it at runtime. If any of these are expected to be > loaded at the start of every session, then we should either fix that > require or preload cl-lib. Plus some libraries "reimplement" cl functions. Org for sure, but I /think/ also Gnus (but I'm guessing here). This is not necessarily bad as not all Emacsens have cl-lib; still it would be nicer to rely on cl-lib. Rasmus -- Sådan en god dansk lagereddike kan man slet ikke bruge mere