From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: First draft of the Emacs website Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 16:53:59 +0100 Message-ID: <871tb4sv6w.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <565EE871.6030805@gmail.com> <87d1uproci.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <878u5cswx2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9k0svqq.fsf@petton.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1449071706 8362 80.91.229.3 (2 Dec 2015 15:55:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Random832 , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nicolas Petton Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 02 16:55:05 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a49kH-0008Nn-6f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 16:55:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58938 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a49kG-0006mH-49 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 10:55:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56325) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a49jJ-0005QU-EY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 10:54:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a49jI-0004OF-Fm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 10:54:05 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39274) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a49jE-0004NR-JB; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 10:54:00 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53093 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1a49jE-00089H-2e; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 10:54:00 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9977EDF5D2; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 16:53:59 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87h9k0svqq.fsf@petton.fr> (Nicolas Petton's message of "Wed, 02 Dec 2015 16:42:05 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:195754 Archived-At: Nicolas Petton writes: > David Kastrup writes: > >> The browser is in control of the client's computing resources, >> compositing managing, window rendition, realtime. If it (or the user >> settings controlling it) or the page description language does not >> consider animating changes a good idea, the web page author is not >> really in a position to know better. > >> The user has nothing to gain from every web page inventing its own >> human-computer interface. > > Oh my gosh, the entire www has been wrong all this time! Not the "entire www", but yes, a good deal of it has been a nuisance. Partly to the degree where pages are simply unusable because of invalid assumptions about the human-computer interface. There is a reason ad blockers are widely used in order to systematically deal with some of the worst misconceptions of page authors about their users' needs. -- David Kastrup