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[87.79.108.191]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 33sm4704664edt.4.2017.10.15.14.03.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 15 Oct 2017 14:03:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:219558 Archived-At: On Sun, Oct 15 2017 21:09 (+0200), Fabrice Popineau wrote: > 2. We try to make GNU Emacs run on various platforms, >> but running Emacs on Windows in any fashion >> cannot eliminate the injustice of Windows itself. >> I hope you find the strength to escape from Windows. >> > > Sincerely : _I don't want to_. Some of us are perfectly happy to pay for > what > we get (I praise Windows for its stability). It appears that you do not want to talk about moral issues, but your offhanded words severely mischaracterize the GNU project (hence Emacs in particular), and that, I feel, should be corrected. "The injustice of Windows itself", as I understand it, is not that people should pay for it (and the GNU project never has opposed paying for software), but that Windows staunchly denies its users the most basic freedoms they deserve --- on practically any level, and, BTW, with grave practical consequences. Also, I presume that a very "stable" oppressive regime is worse than an unstable one, at least in the long run. I was tempted to put a smiley after the last sentence, but on second thought it does not seem appropriate.