From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What improvements would be truly useful? 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[129.89.239.183]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a129sm1754887itd.34.2018.03.09.14.42.36 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 09 Mar 2018 14:42:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 09 Mar 2018 17:20:26 -0500") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223566 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: >Perhaps Emacs WYSIWYG should have a mode to show the markup and a mode >to hide the markup, with a character to toggle between them. For what it's worth, the venerable proprietary word processor WordPerfect had this feature (under the name "reveal codes"). The feature was widely used, too. At least, people I knew who normally did not become experts in their software tools nevertheless still still knew about and used "reveal codes" on a regular basis.