From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [Was: bug#25148:] Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 14:36:52 -0500 Message-ID: <871ru6fg6j.fsf@dick> References: <20191117113054.49837.qmail@mail.muc.de> <87pnhq7mxg.fsf@gnus.org> <87bltaz9g4.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="23829"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 17 20:37:04 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iWQM4-00065O-A8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:37:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55970 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iWQM3-0002xY-1d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 14:37:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54588) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iWQLw-0002xO-Jv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 14:36:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iWQLv-0002Qd-Mr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 14:36:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-qk1-x72c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c]:40745) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iWQLv-0002PC-JQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 14:36:55 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-qk1-x72c.google.com with SMTP id z16so12594688qkg.7 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 11:36:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=Z9KgWkELQukbamO88zirj6pBXbuZLcwQAluYripPPkE=; b=irXQ3r8qzert+Kx+xCZUgZoRS1/N1PxFSAoyKZFJHdjqj8KeYqQ5vnUDGj9trGceAI SY7MZ8bDgnnwyFCMKhKGEqG+Smn4W4sD+SZwUJGDmZNm7c33NenDtkoeosWozqfvKEeP TQvcA3xJg0FzJyB7wlpneIBYWtL0i82BMWMgpqAeZRwSWocJE4t8KVcKC3+7baSJcp8G 0WTBIqBRf5xAOlG929Bipci9YPM0mSGsas4D1sHXUzMlkSA3lk2+IGP+jlUPmlGQvFpI ihUg7sQN6zH2XhbJ0qS1CfMYK1F4tWCtf3LCXr0RUiwWQ2RNxetKt55k6/ZhWtrh8QnB cJUQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=Z9KgWkELQukbamO88zirj6pBXbuZLcwQAluYripPPkE=; b=QPM5kcknlVUCuqLP7fkOqRCWJviZkPWBVD/UbimqUtDx96v8Fk0Th0KcP5uGEM6/HM fA626GjPQsrcMQbL/xJ85/g3MMQul/unx+S7Bypq1M9ZGCeS6HmWmABNYHo4LKm7oRz0 H2gFI0ZYrMapKOBo8Pjv6dZmAswH3dPI76z8nXsPLpFBYKCDkhlsmu+xudCLUkage4CR /dlZjmBaMPcb+zCPQqiI2K8vRjWUwQdYPSBbf+LLSEmrburvn7OXI0MHvWjZwESHOW6u vp3B+Ox3oAAJS8+bXzXHJATzvvhsP203bLIrRBcjqf1+PwN5qlMXoiTfdGe4lpUjSsqE C4bQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUVORTo2RjJ1/W+YOojxM4gVs0HLwDx1KIvU+kBwikn2Hzl3GGq T+0DF+pnzkZ/wb1wxSMp/Ok= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzXwqwdDIUy9d1yOkmDzRu6aplq6HnHOW17t19bE2H/X9oOba3ueutJRCyoUF+5I9jTeiXPdw== X-Received: by 2002:a37:a58b:: with SMTP id o133mr21208978qke.418.1574019414290; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 11:36:54 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (pool-100-33-98-8.nycmny.fios.verizon.net. [100.33.98.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h3sm9604498qte.62.2019.11.17.11.36.53 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 17 Nov 2019 11:36:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87bltaz9g4.fsf@telefonica.net> (=?utf-8?Q?=22=C3=93scar?= Fuentes"'s message of "Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:42:03 +0100") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242314 Archived-At: I hear you loud and clear on the debbugs, but many people accustomed to browser-everything would also say emacs is similarly antiquated. I would be frustrated too by the responses you received suggesting nothing is awry about debbugs. But in any unpaid project, the response to "please kill this" should be "please implement a better alternative."