From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some ideas with Emacs Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2019 12:08:43 +0100 Message-ID: <871rtoti9w.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <87d0dbszjn.fsf@mbork.pl> <8736e4titj.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="150771"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: c4droid@foxmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 01 12:09:59 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ibN70-000d2V-IP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2019 12:09:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50048 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ibN6y-0006XW-LG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2019 06:09:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36662) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ibN65-0006U9-Ft for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2019 06:09:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ibN61-0003WW-Hn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2019 06:08:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:44054) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ibN61-0003UA-8T; Sun, 01 Dec 2019 06:08:57 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E9BE65B2; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 12:08:53 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qztVAQn32ELF; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 12:08:47 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (jeden09-dwa27.echostar.pl [213.156.109.227]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6CF7AE6553; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 12:08:47 +0100 (CET) In-reply-to: <8736e4titj.fsf@mbork.pl> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242952 Archived-At: On 2019-12-01, at 11:56, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > On 2019-12-01, at 06:57, Richard Stallman wrote: > >> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] >> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] >> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >> >> The Intro to Emacs Lisp needs updating. Emacs Lisp has changed since >> the late Bob Chassell worked on it. >> >> Would you like to update it? That would be far easier than writing a >> new manual from zero, and would be good practice for that. > > Easier - probably yes. But Bob Chassell's book is distributed under > GFDL, which may be a good choice for documentation, but is an extremely > bad choice for a book. Contributing to a GFDL book is pointless IMO. > (I might release my book on some CC license one day, but then it would > have to be an ND variant.) Correction: I read a bit more about GFDL, and I withdraw my opinion that it is an "extremely bad choice" for a book: I think now that it is not "extremely bad", but just "bad" or "very bad". Reason: GFDL has the "invariant sections" clause. I guess the author probably could technically call the whole book an "invariant section" - but then there is no point to use GFDL anyway, no? To be more positive, a reasonable license for "free" (as in FSF) book would allow no modifications except for e.g. footnotes clearly marked as not written by the original author. AFAIK, GFDL's "History" section is way worse than that (since it is a lot more inconvenient for the reader). Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl