From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:45:14 +0200 Message-ID: <871ri00yyt.fsf@gnus.org> References: <20200926145302.sjrwjrguf5ialc25@Ergus> <3201a9fe-de19-d553-0be1-d379f182fd47@yandex.ru> <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <87lfgahtcw.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87o8l51mh3.fsf@gnus.org> <87zh4p44lj.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37818"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 15 08:50:22 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kSx5h-0009kQ-Ok for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:50:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41064 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSx5e-0005dA-Dx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:50:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56386) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSx0y-0002qA-Fr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:45:32 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:56782) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSx0s-0000yy-JB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:45:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=T88/UOhb/G/ocLHA8Cn5g5yF80F5JAbSaJRaBjL2PQU=; b=G148Buocxt8b3jkja2fotQA1b8 Q+Jg+uhml3EP5qRsLsJY+Y1RzAc1pn/xITJF6YESjZukrQ9cKlEP7VqCmqXDGm4JWgEd0Yd1T/bHM OugCeGw7Rm5o+0wdvds4BtR0HRdCH1RihWCMyw/5BEK/wkUVmxfvcYycop56sAlTS1vU=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kSx0m-0000HX-Je; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:45:19 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEU3MzBXU1C2tbP/ //95ocZ/AAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+QKDwYsGH0CdIkAAAFgSURBVCjPLdA9buQwDAXg J0DcWgbILXKEPYUEWE0qCSCbnCCZU6WYGWR8yjzZW8jQJ4o/MqSUil6/XsftgVRU0OrbcdxeSE7U Yc/j8YC5SKsjy/G8Q5TYS/57PF/oQbhCj9sdfYoNN4x/x31FrDBS/xyfZyQYQfr4giSzWRfePyGi WlCI/oOcVSsqMb6h2X0/USu2MkZOINJA3+bkJoMTIs/WgKzIialdvGaWU95NYhwMA4WYZtsoTK6Z zdQC4wSwq3odwkYM+Bg91f8o3KdqxJpiziLg1KgJqU02t8ZaCa3XLDmCEHTCLhjEKqsvFEIu7BeG OBHszGvbhf1EhHMfwv/VI/ra87vQL4xQokXMk4oUrfHULTZH3VrriccyCWszEtMSSzsniEYMTu0Z vG9rBEXMqemEC0JXvq3qBBslzySfPtvqwdWtY8xtjeJcgWJs4n4Ozmo7c6de8M7TaetRv+wpcBEf kEYOAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIwLTEwLTE1VDA2OjQ0OjI0KzAwOjAwO7lkqgAAACV0 RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMC0xMC0xNVQwNjo0NDoyNCswMDowMErk3BYAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Hookworms's _Hookworms_: "Medicine Cabinet" In-Reply-To: <87zh4p44lj.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (Juri Linkov's message of "Wed, 14 Oct 2020 11:03:04 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257706 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: >>> I tried this, and the mode-line looks much nicer indeed, >>> but this improvement is unusable because the mode-line jumps >>> left and right when the buffer is saved, the cursor is moved, etc. >> >> Do you use a variable-pitch font that has different widths for the >> digits? I didn't think that would be an issue in practice. What font >> do you use? > > I'm using DejaVu Sans, where all the digits have the same width, > but still with column-number-mode enabled, the mode-line exhibits > jumpiness when the length of the column number changes. OK, so you exaggerated a bit. :-) Then we're on the same page. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no