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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:263962 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 05 Feb 2021 09:54:49 +0200, Eli Zaretskii said: >> Incompatibilities include changing the behavior of a series of keys >> which isn't erroneous (for instance, C-x o o or C-x o ,). >>=20 >> An example of violating a pattern is defining C-x followed by a >> capital letter to mean something different from the corresponding >> lower-case letter. Eli> I think keeping these patterns could be a good idea, but if we want Eli> these patterns not to be violated, we need to document them first. Eli> Right now, none of these two patterns are documented (AFAICT), and= at Eli> least for me it was a surprise to learn that they are patterns we = are Eli> supposed to try not to break. I can understand why we should avoid changing C-x o o behaviour, but what's the rationale for the capital letter after C-x rule? It=CA=BCs not like I=CA=BCm likely to type a capital by mistake (and eg edebug already doesn=CA=BCt follow this rule, since it binds 'C-x X ' commands). Robert