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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267510 Archived-At: On Wed, Apr 07 2021, Gregory Heytings wrote: > I've been thinking about this, and I'm not sure I understand what the real > difference between "completing" and "selecting" is. Do I understand > correctly that the difference is between, for example, expanding command names > (completing), and choosing an emoji in a list (selecting)? Yeah, I don't get it either. If I'm completing a command name, I can also say that I'm selecting a command name from all available command names. Or when I'm completing a file name, I'm selecting a file from all the files on my system. In fact, I always considered that to be the whole point of "modern" completion mechanisms: they turn completion (traditionally: start typing *from the beginning* of the name of the candidate you are after, occasionally hitting TAB to complete unambiguous subparts) into selection (typing *any* characters in the name of the candidate you want to select, augmented by motion keys to move through the list of candidates). -- Joost Kremers Life has its moments