From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Whitton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding missing C-x 5 C-j and C-x t C-j commands Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 21:57:22 -0700 Message-ID: <871qwkyhfx.fsf@athena.silentflame.com> References: <87a6b9xs22.fsf@athena.silentflame.com> <83fsl16l5l.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32497"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Notmuch/0.36 Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 23 06:58:30 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nt09D-0008D0-Py for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 06:58:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39246 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nt09C-0001Ni-EH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 00:58:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41850) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nt08D-0000hT-Qy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 00:57:25 -0400 Original-Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.29]:45393) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nt08C-0005JE-AN; Mon, 23 May 2022 00:57:25 -0400 Original-Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0BC5C00ED; Mon, 23 May 2022 00:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 23 May 2022 00:57:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=spwhitton.name; h=cc:cc:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender :subject:subject:to:to; s=fm3; t=1653281843; x=1653368243; bh=Ti +M6DKpF8T7xWZg857m3OvTzQXrfIOkobF3AcbkS+Q=; b=DLQzdScLpfMe3Qn8TC qj3TDZ1HnMJfoLXp0F1J0RQutYqZi7llzGGuTGjaQLX+MBHBPVpoUn1dL4gtKaEi ZU8YihhWwZVff0gwS9pQLAU9Bszkivspt4xLIb0uuAKV4puL8l3lphLQDMScXAcM EBxV6b+a+GjwUKIAv0E3hFc2QLA4B7/br2NHsUWFK8B3Trys2dNUxritGg9iQcnG GWbRnfzxnrHUcuZi0c+XOYP2eWWns1QfkKRveoTyO8OMr4FD11pBIETIHnn3+N6O woufq6LmDMM1HrUsosFOYfsPTbO6KN32YPdGpcnnuUQpQshBba/qLLDF4HZZczFw AeTA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:date:date:feedback-id :feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to :x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm1; t=1653281843; x=1653368243; bh=Ti+M6DKpF8T7xWZg857m3OvTzQXr fIOkobF3AcbkS+Q=; b=tQ/NsLEwH5roFdpLQxrWUxhnVcUEW7qRkewRtbtCYhBn wtrwWkTviRi+u8GF2ze/cWMRZoUlC78Mi2CI/vzB5QFJR4M6EFVetD2ZxBKwX8ew /HsrxwmblXXUVPO6vcUi/xE6lDWLWG8NEViIeKxny9xbC3WBTLoJPYmR4LfKBr2A R07JHJ3MZZme3+/mYwyb1C/x96TfyP5jTJxnI+xaKXaSRuM13Q6BWemhU0nz+lP3 N7Z5I8288RoXmAOyApiPNdwRcw5lNKID0ZiuWO0tn21w50Y0C9GPM3u/gy1Y8bNZ Qz71vMoQOtKierdkuDmHhmyNOrkgn+9Kcz9ApzIxKQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvfedrieelgdeklecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpefhvfevufgjfhgffffkgggtsehttddttddtredtnecuhfhrohhmpefuvggrnhcu hghhihhtthhonhcuoehsphifhhhithhtohhnsehsphifhhhithhtohhnrdhnrghmvgeqne cuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepvdejtedtieetjeegjeekgffghedtkeeltdeftdetkefgueek fedtudfhteeljeeknecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilh hfrhhomhepshhpfihhihhtthhonhesshhpfihhihhtthhonhdrnhgrmhgv X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i23c04076:Fastmail Original-Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 23 May 2022 00:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by athena.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 55CA11B5A74; Mon, 23 May 2022 04:57:22 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83fsl16l5l.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.111.4.29; envelope-from=spwhitton@spwhitton.name; helo=out5-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -26 X-Spam_score: -2.7 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, GAPPY_SUBJECT=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290116 Archived-At: Hello, On Mon 23 May 2022 at 05:24am +03, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Sean Whitton >> Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 12:53:25 -0700 >> >> We have C-x d, C-x 4 d, C-x 5 d and C-x t d, but only C-x C-j >> and C-x 4 C-j. My fingers try to use C-x 5 C-j, and find it isn't >> there, at least biweekly. Here is a draft patch to fill the gap. > > We have the "C-x 5 5" prefix for purposes like this one. It's a great fallback, but in this case I don't think one should have to use it. For everything else under C-x 4 for which -other-frame and -other-tab variants make sense, we also have bindings under C-x 5 and C-x t. If we miss some of them out because we've since added C-x 5 5, we are asking the user to keep track of which things under C-x 4 have bindings under C-x 5 and which don't -- one has to remember that C-x 4 C-j exists but C-x 5 C-j doesn't. I'd prefer that we don't impose that cognitive burden on users just because we now have C-x 5 5. -- Sean Whitton