From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey 2022 - which editor question Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 08:04:42 +0000 Message-ID: <871qwk7jz9.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87ee0sb3by.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18570"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Timothy Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 23 10:13:12 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nt3Be-0004Zt-Dj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 10:13:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35462 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nt3Bd-00046U-2D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 04:13:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48654) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nt33r-000175-FL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 04:05:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:35213) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nt33n-0001Kq-7V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 04:05:05 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAE6124010B for ; Mon, 23 May 2022 10:04:51 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1653293091; bh=G8cPJDqhvAzjJcixxF6P8Rk0sMgUScE4QCHUkYTkvQs=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=TnFM45NcdcEVCJ0E1JXYWM/nHwvJZoDmFoXkrL+YIyxNc0B9q0KHnKMD1b/lyZaQr yVWX9bICHwuMHoyBCoUtXeIOrD/p7BenKHcs26N2H95GjskVT+yPskOWn6y7RjLfbl nFMOlIcp2N5+gBQ9vEek2dGxkLvucTdJHbFO8Ut4vFYB3QTpCam/n6z3s91nmtRS8g 7Snp0ntQHU/R0RI/y939fGo/cgR9POCXEdtcsPufmbzpmkqNP2EPDsX8al04Okt4sk hfvHvws6eNCtm0pT1tDPVXzml4sqolyKuxLA7PNQycn4uVwmbEmfQwAa6m+cGrNb2P Lkh+dNniUen+g== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4L68xv1l2sz6tn3; Mon, 23 May 2022 10:04:50 +0200 (CEST) Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Mon, 23 May 2022 10:24:38 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290131 Archived-At: Jean Louis writes: > ** Which editor did you use before you started using Emacs? :RadioSelect: > - [ ] None > - [ ] Vim > - [ ] VS Code > - [ ] IntelliJ > - [ ] Atom > - [ ] Eclipse > - [ ] Nodepad++ > - [ ] *other* > > People use Emacs for years, you have forgotten to include "vi" -- Vim > is rather the new "vi", those people using Emacs for 20+ years did not > possibly use VS Code or IntelliJ or such new editors. > > You should include the old editors, and not just let it as a list of > modern editors. > > I remember at that time there was elvis, there is "ed" which I still > use today, including from within Emacs especially when I need to > change single line on a remote server, there is "Notepad" on Windows > which you forgot, that may be one of most used editors, "SimpleText" > was default in Classic Mac OS, TeachText, TextEdit, XEDIT, you should > include default editors from various OS-es and not just assume that > people come from newer times as Emacs users, to know just those new > editors. I think this has been mentioned already in this thread, the question is what relevant information does the editor someone used 20+ years ago give, especially considering that the "other" field is a text field. The best I can think of would be an interesting infographic visualising trends between how long someone has been using Emacs and what they used prior to that.