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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293744 Archived-At: Sean Whitton writes: > That would also get us another native Wayland backend, and probably one > that would could more heartily recommend to people. That'd be nice -- but do we have any concrete reason to believe that Qt is going to suck less than Gtk? Everybody has a tendency to think that something like this must surely be great -- until they start actually working with it, and then they discover all the things that just doesn't work (as we found out with Gtk, but only after a few years of actually working with it).