From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: feature/package-vc has been merged Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:54:55 +0000 Message-ID: <871qq6tw0w.fsf@posteo.net> References: <164484721900.31751.1453162457552427931@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87pmdxgptl.fsf@posteo.net> <87iljotycc.fsf@thaodan.de> <87k044fvx9.fsf@posteo.net> <87a650twv7.fsf@thaodan.de> <87wn84ednr.fsf@posteo.net> <87y1sks82p.fsf@thaodan.de> <87mt909g3o.fsf@posteo.net> <87leojswzm.fsf@thaodan.de> <875yfluy99.fsf@thaodan.de> <875yfk1uqm.fsf@posteo.net> <87y1sg5ntn.fsf@thaodan.de> <87cz9sz3ym.fsf@posteo.net> <87pmdqudn9.fsf@thaodan.de> <87r0y6voji.fsf@posteo.net> <878rkespp0.fsf@thaodan.de> <87iljiu3q3.fsf@posteo.net> <87r0y6r4hb.fsf@thaodan.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6902"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Richard Stallman , stefankangas@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 13 21:55:57 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ouK1F-0001Yq-2G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 21:55:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouK0V-0006D3-4q; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 15:55:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouK0S-00069k-Mm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 15:55:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouK0P-0003zK-5E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 15:55:08 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 226DE240103 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 21:55:03 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1668372903; bh=jgQxj5Vnk3Av5c5GV0e7m1zRhxj379stIE1XXT0GC58=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=T0zCMsj6wqJs3Vcp7dpcpAIJngXS8tBm175JhV39Rmo4BrEv8I0IeEw15kMnN3UX3 NDyb8DoxKX9zJ5LQ5LQG8/FAT1UxC5OsPypnA4h9crPaW/i3OKb3fGNjzYdiA8fq+w K8givgUdUNLSJmMlXHTdnMI9ejdrtlGmBQc7W5wzUXTZlB7Q7QVgs0wPp0FAmHqQgY T8oQ+q6Zzc0UqEWUwzoLLLFK7u4XiP6Ay6YkaLX0GdX3kI2H75bz/42IGRUeft8SSG b/BY8KukFgU7+5Q48oxuLNJmXpY7J4nPGClcQWTTS0Zoi99JX4XhbVlfE6CIJFC4Yk waVwds+DlLjmA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4N9PpG0Cgrz9rxN; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 21:55:01 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87r0y6r4hb.fsf@thaodan.de> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar"'s message of "Sun, 13 Nov 2022 22:20:32 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299755 Archived-At: Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >> Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar writes: >> >>> I translate this my self: Yes both sources contain only free software, >>> but both contain software that interacts with non-free software. >> >> I believe that Stefan explained this, in distinguishing between >> software >> that you have to run on your own system and a fixed service that >> runs on >> non-free software. A web browser is not at fault when requesting a >> website from a non-free web server. > > What if the software only implements non-free standards such as Exchange? The term "non-free" doesn't apply to standards. How do you read the source and share modifications of a protocol specification? >>>> Richard went into that issue in a parallel thread just yesterday: >>>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-11/msg00792.html: >>>> >>>> Our general policy makes a subtle distinction between these two >>>> cases: >>>> >>>> 1. If a nonfree program FOO is not well known, we don't even >>>> mention that >>>> it exists. Because we don't want to promote using FOO. >>>> >>>> 2. If a nonfree program FOO is well known and widely used, >>>> something to >>>> help and encourage FOO's users to use some GNU packages along with >>>> FOO >>>> is good. >>>> >>>> 3. Anything that would encourage the existing users of some GNU >>>> packages >>>> to use FOO with them is bad. >>> >>> OK I don't see anything against cooperating with Gnu in Melpa, the >>> only >>> difference is the barrier of entry for packages that interact with >>> non-free systems, especially the amount of questioning that a package >>> has go too but that is subjective I think. >> >> Are you saying that GNU ELPA or MELPA go through more "questioning"? > > I'm saying that packages that interface with non-free formats or systems > have less questioning in Melpa. > In Elpa a package has to justify why it should be added when it > interfaces with non-free systems. I guess that is true, but that is the issue too.