From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 08:18:15 +0800 Message-ID: <871qcvq0xk.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <87bkcbrgnr.fsf@posteo.net> <25924.21015.19614.951576@orion.rgrjr.com> <87bkc4jpja.fsf@dataswamp.org> <12da6bcb-1818-7fbe-12af-8d4607724332@gutov.dev> <87il6bt4z0.fsf@yahoo.com> <8734xetjkk.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cywhsrcf.fsf@yahoo.com> <877cmoif7c.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87a5rkpfft.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37442"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 12 01:19:38 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r1yCQ-0009dx-41 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 01:19:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1yBR-0000e3-70; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 19:18:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1yBP-0000cs-7S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 19:18:35 -0500 Original-Received: from sonic317-33.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.184.44]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1yBJ-0003Rq-RD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 19:18:34 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1699748305; bh=WEAJaHLqqv8pYzI/55i5e28mcUfxivjLuiWuOLIMH3A=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=lahMqOimMY4kgZc6daDS4ZDK+DSHGTbTzeCgu6VRpj3vSXT+RQ4OnhJApRAMniJI9cRMbN+wTKeIWNKdNqSlFmsn4jEp4VGc9rRJ4k90IlJXt7hJl4f9rukpje5J7gavnsD968bnDc1oUBD1WawY+Fd9B5LO15js3m2U+oZkoFRmPaAn9anQUG16f8J+Wy8bktdEl5H2C0wu+eIsE9/h+DhJ/8wI3ouSlLvosrJDOV97/kOMKYPg0qDML+uomOspHZVhmwsfzkvDdhCS/udqj2l+/dbfCSP/x6M9tVZcLs7eDpJamFhgkwxTifMOS+MJH278eUT7yHtcq9Z1uqD3xQ== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1699748305; bh=tE8zrF96+7HwSBdjSztzZyqV8UmPJneT+Wtf8z4RKfU=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=VJtf/jcUxuWEOjPA27uF+BjrqbU6w7o1vBnhqwBGcgwkZRvKnRd+7ITCPXVPambDWFGHMbUJttPyWh5CsxCt3GEoC6XG2bSmtDbadX1dxFX9T0vFx6jwVEdfhls8nONGiETwx9JJ9TGRD/ENMtuuReb7eZ0EoYSDNC5ds/BDgX4o7XEfZSUjvwtBhTQURQLB/394bgRZOm8nCOnTy9eWpqKAs5kgIkcRXg1KckpxeDY0O4RvtMci8oVIvTfCIpLeaD2ldUWPdVq7aRgWuC8yx2nSk5WEk+y1Y08U104ieSVMJovtxLGGMqUvy82wnL0L6XT7eqibdEHWo5vyZhCMTQ== X-YMail-OSG: iqqkOmwVM1lqMpGgTcS7cHx0A0GCl7XtxgcZKkXXjSkOneOi7gR8_SfHXj2VO4H u4nP9.yH7Q1CqD5C.UbgeJ0hO7wy07kg8snxobr8LNvgwpHeEjNLp6quLsf.4oJseAC5TvQ_JGdY FKmnwLJa64K_ZJTVuRtuta3ubpkFSgJjD1P30j27KbNLu_ksNxyLgOkmlGvA789s3LGtRJgbeTt5 OLBYYbKyVrejIbLZsmeMwibymMlhokDnkeoSu37wIrgna8hGxAd1BOSIpjliG9WETSZvqhhUMTjg hhwW7eKrCQz0RED9EglCJAgo9d.N_m6WB_e9ESJTiigW2.fPTp8DTqbZCffHjB9vutZi890vg5ao oEcL79Qep1Ud4SXEwKyeIzG2jJBBIt1P9Mm1GQBy.pBDKUcGv3TqR3Sqn6x7tGVAkq3GK0org4vN A3MdKxyZZApUyfM.29MF1Qbq3wX5N8mGZZCwk9HbsTSlJ28gjSfycE7PDr8NO9uzgc.tWadnZ45H XqYdhfMtlubeeQeUw.euEHJ.QWujOp8UOyva9kjDV8BtHu3It2jaiFAPMykK_z4OBBTGDoX3KcJL 6cjhx1ycXA_7H_26f99aqnw2sc4n1jKCYEawyLXf0jtKmjGbbJkDAnO0Ats2a6zXLVRqLz3GCx0q 0S3WLTbUqj.5uD4Hj0qQ9bgZET.LKFJlaX7xgfqTYumS56QvthOBpsoArIYxV4HMhd6j1SGmwerP oNd.NxsODBUewIwEgeAxW2NQBGsU7NKyigphoPYpWUxKE03siZ_XWLq_cNcI35KroDgRf6eDkJxa AYNDWUzptdxdz7RuM.ne0BBP1wBEsHIKLbXg8wffVF X-Sonic-MF: X-Sonic-ID: 2cd3b7ac-d1b1-4df7-af7e-9afefa950a93 Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic317.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 00:18:25 +0000 Original-Received: by hermes--production-sg3-8696d769c6-lsp29 (Yahoo Inc. Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d2e308db47a979732405e44be922a86b; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 00:18:19 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22Jo=C3=A3o_T=C3=A1vora=22's?= message of "Sat, 11 Nov 2023 13:58:00 +0000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21896 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.44; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic317-33.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312617 Archived-At: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > Wooot? I don't dispute they're "ungainly", but clearly, you've > never used qsort of stdlib.h or so, so many other examples. qsort doesn't chain multiple functions together or rewrite the natural control flow of an expression, it accepts a single callback used to compare two elements of an array.