From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 29.3 released Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 17:01:32 +0200 Message-ID: <871q7m4hir.fsf@gmx.de> References: <86edbzyavw.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0fzsbxz.fsf@gmx.de> <86wmprjumv.fsf@gnu.org> <875xxbtmpp.fsf@gmx.de> <86r0fzjs9x.fsf@gnu.org> <87il199y5d.fsf@gmx.de> <865xx9jh3y.fsf@gnu.org> <875xx9f4ol.fsf@gmx.de> <86o7b0iy5i.fsf@gnu.org> <87edbwdqpv.fsf@gmx.de> <86frwbj171.fsf@gnu.org> <87zfujdazh.fsf@gmx.de> <868r23iq29.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7az7f2o.fsf@gmx.de> <87r0fmk5zs.fsf@gmx.de> <871q7mtyge.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29089"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Robert Pluim Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 03 17:01:59 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rs27j-0007Mm-8U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2024 17:01:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rs27U-0007Pd-Ke; Wed, 03 Apr 2024 11:01:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rs27S-0007Os-SL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2024 11:01:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rs27O-0007ww-4e; Wed, 03 Apr 2024 11:01:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1712156494; x=1712761294; i=michael.albinus@gmx.de; bh=ljUXvfkeXly030OT/GjuATUfs22sCYPxq9juIgIrXCc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References: Date; b=G9Eo12JTya4Em3fTCTwCKDpyzWJl69gw5/QGozH4crzH/r3ALgCcys3uNN6FHciL fUh7MQ/jDThBYHUeBgkPCbaZ8X06LKQj/uf11tGdNvz0SZPOPczBfv1KJ2+S23vnu V8glqVQDI3W1axyt97+D3cFTKZ+NVRv3LV7QsgYxBs1zW9iw6BS5MaIJ4kVgfIFIg 78POadTt+VcIPazmPI8OQ13hT9K0ve941xTXHGNCGZRdq3RQcYe4QOsPls+seuUgd SmNxFPHBeLLR7Brcmi/0w7rpXGO72TOYKKxZloaq/Gxw0dWqz5hxoRCwzXn2Nm40V nKgjny4qHx0bGGD5dQ== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Original-Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([185.89.39.16]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M8QS8-1rwRyA0mHo-004TKJ; Wed, 03 Apr 2024 17:01:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <871q7mtyge.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Wed, 03 Apr 2024 14:36:33 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:8XTgl1ygIKOMTtjosrzrg7cC4krXKPuzId7YSuKe8u43jbatTII e2w1KHWCHKjToC/TuYCqQQtCQs6wc2IFIC2zb0MVuYsUrqb1beUv4c0e7mXP7ekdCxrHf7c s7/s3POjOcYoq2Q3HvAH87qHPOfGKnkbsDeQv4JbsVs5gtSylKTwipukmP1Ntnh1U3068p6 LdHPdZ/rMaiLL9C94vUjg== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:p8SPiicTGjI=;BauN+EPl/z6C9SNExxCamMSjoFn UHwRwaWeYYMciQG9u33aE/In27ENo7Gblz7eMjDz1N/sayEHKGYZJeYlHMv2jOhJ8MsiCwiJF EpDvkIxxmSL7EftV8Zfo7SXpqxgebksKjJc47UkO+l5jwX/lD4esGmVA9o6wi39pJmPmZlWnQ gcH0pox8Yy09KT63hgy7vO1+T+Jlw4jOgJk07ux2cEoXxCVxMR+kwpgaW62qZfhwbz7gHmUP2 NLjSdY1kS3o5RuxP0Z0Z+5QZQZAftKyHtnJseag+qLynEvWiEKFOuTynadXSmzP6UbaGbv9ta 0DFe199VJoNkQcbXaKmxYof94XEIGNL98nnU3DQbY+Fgu2apRgejFbj3sjIghbZrR3u+6FZHi Nt53vQkH1zh/2oVmtLh+7pt8pPqE3HOfiaYjLKiT0zkDBYeA+iW9cT+gADfz2NP1pSiPBJIzo lw2bgaiBmG34iz3MgxEQi0lPmlNlEesJm+dcDRrh8uUlHsGlk0sHg3f2sn3VBKGJXURmXwJ0G HCaokytnhKG/vxX2BEssXJd/gfkcwqPw7uhu0+ViOZ9kfmx3/VZDdo+XxriWPQpJriENUGSE+ AtCX96zxCdidwIxYBSX3uOomfQkkMWtJ82fumc3GMUnlDWrJN1daFbRRYhIxJdHoyKuKR6o8S nDtHyKrUpdoLH/yPgMhqQWqTb72NSYA8ayJfL8lj8uqAI4h/eeidKE6E5m833zcMwBjWzRvOW L2uhIZ1UxR00tezCbvDn29SSYSnw3+BtF/JxTtQFMgA5cWhznbRH/UiTRIDgj2Gkf113lLEg Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.21; envelope-from=michael.albinus@gmx.de; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:317491 Archived-At: Robert Pluim writes: Hi Robert, > Michael> +Emacs contains built-in packages with an own version number= , which > Michael> +could be different from the natural version number of this = package > Michael> +(for example, Tramp). Usually, they are adjusted by the re= spective > Michael> +maintainers prior an Emacs release. If a new Emacs version= will be > Michael> +released without a pretest release, for example an emergenc= y release > Michael> +due to security problems, inform the respective package mai= ntainers in > Michael> +advance by email, and give them a short period (one day) to= adjust the > Michael> +package version number. > > It=CA=BCs not just the version number, it=CA=BCs also the fact that (some= of) the > development of built-in packages happens outside the emacs repository > and is then synced (eg org-mode). It=CA=BCs that syncing we need to ensure > is in a sane state, as well as the updating of the version number > (although I realize in practise this is probably a weak argument: both > the tramp and org-mode maintainers are pretty conscientious about > ensuring the code in the emacs tree is healthy). Usually, this happens automatically if there is a pretest prior a release. We're discussing the fact that a pretest didn't happen, due to an emergency release. And in that case, it might not be desirable to sync built-in packages from their repos. However, I believe the proposal of Eli is better than mine (see the other messages), which doesn't emphasize versioning either. > Robert Best regards, Michael.