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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320090 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I do have such lists, but no one said they are accurate, and I don't > have a system to try that. > > If you are saying that Emacs doesn't work on Windows 98, then we need > to handle this one issue at a time. > > First, does Emacs refuse to start on Windows 98, because some function > we call directly is unavailable there, even when UNICOWS.DLL is > installed? If Emacs refuses to start due to some functions called > directly, please submit a bug with the names of those functions, and > this is something we _must_ solve (but can do that after the release > branch is created). > > If Emacs does start, it means Windows 98 provides at least stubs for > those functions. Then we need to consider each of the functions you > mentioned in the patch separately. Some of them I'd simply ignore: > for example, it makes no sense to me to fix the Uniscribe support if > its broken, since we prefer HarfBuzz anyway. Similarly for w32notify: > all we need is to make file-notifications unavailable on Windows 98. > > Therefore, please submit a separate bug for each of the functions you > think are missing or don't work, and let's consider them each as a > separate issue. Part of the consideration is the potential breakage > in the Windows port that could be caused on modern Windows systems -- > if the risk is too high, I'd prefer to delay the solution to Emacs 31. > It would be good if each such bug report included results of actual > attempt to use those functions on Windows 98, if you can do that, > because then we'd have detailed information about the possible > breakage, and will be able to weigh our options based on solid facts. As it's the weekends, I suppose I might install Windows 98 in a virtual machine. Fingers crossed.