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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323188 Archived-At: Sean Whitton writes: > Hello, > > On Wed 28 Aug 2024 at 06:05pm GMT, Philip Kaludercic wrote: > >> Garklein writes: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Would it be possible to have the dash.el macros `->', `->>', `-->', >>> and `-some->' in subr-x.el? I find them to be really useful, and would >>> love to see them in the base language. >>> >>> I know that `thread-first' and `thread-last' exist, but I find that my >>> eyes can recognize `->' and `->>' much easier. `-->' is really nice >>> for more complex threading. >> >> This sounds more like a matter of habit. FWIW I find a symbol like ->> >> or --> very unusual for Elisp. All in all, there are not that many if I >> run this snippet > > Right, it's not Elisp/MacLisp/Common Lisp style to use names like that. > Similar to how we use '-q' for predicates, and not '?', like Scheme does. ^ nitpick: -p > Elisp is a classic Lisp, which gives it a coherent aesthetic, which > helps with readability, I think. I agree! Elisp might have inconsistencies, but we can try to avoid adding even more. -- Philip Kaludercic on peregrine