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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: "Jan Djärv" <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>
Cc: Jean-Christophe Helary <fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Summary (Re: A system for localizing documentation strings)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:21:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86zm1imf2w.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46A9A6DA.9020908@swipnet.se> ("Jan Djärv"'s message of "Fri\, 27 Jul 2007 10\:03\:38 +0200")

Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes:

> Translations does not belong in the code, that is why this
> requirement is automatically satisfied if gettext is used.
>
> We need a way to identify elisp strings to be translated, maybe
> gettext must be modified to do this.  We also need to find where in
> Emacs gettext shall be called.  And that is it, but probably hard
> work nonetheless.

It is not just that because not just strings are involved: Emacs is
permeated with English.  All the function names are based on English,
M-x is used transparently, menus are identified in the code by name,
apropos of course works on English function names, customization
groups are displayed by symbol, keyboard events are described by
symbols and so on.

Emacs has no layers separating the user from the programmer.  It is,
after all, the greatest prototyping platform for editing ever
invented.  It is quite illusionary to separate "English" from
"international" layers.  But that does not mean that _explanations_
could not be done in English, or that menu entries and help texts
could not be made in English.  Or even customization group names.  But
what about "talking variable names" which are converted into
capitalized space-separated sequences in the customize groups?
Translate or not?  If yes, how does one get to know the actual
variable name?

-- 
David Kastrup

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-27  8:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <795F38F4-7253-47DC-97DD-53BED4F0AB97@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
2007-07-26  3:29 ` Fwd: A system for localizing documentation strings Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 11:54   ` Kenichi Handa
2007-07-26 13:28     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27  0:30       ` Kenichi Handa
2007-07-27  1:18         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 12:13   ` Fwd: " Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-26 13:51     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 14:50       ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-26 15:27         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 15:41           ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-26 15:49             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 16:15               ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-26 16:25                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 16:28                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 16:44                   ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-27  5:04                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-27  7:22                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27  7:49                         ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27  7:52                           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 11:16                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 12:07                           ` Kenichi Handa
2007-07-27 12:26                             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 12:53                               ` Kenichi Handa
2007-07-27 14:43                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-28 14:11                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-27 16:03                             ` Henrik Enberg
2007-07-27 14:09                           ` Werner LEMBERG
2007-07-27 18:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 11:37                         ` David Kastrup
2007-07-28 14:11                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-26 15:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-26 15:42         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 16:03           ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-26 16:23             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27  5:04               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-26 19:34           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-26 19:54             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-26 15:36     ` Fwd: " Andreas Schwab
2007-07-26 19:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]         ` <871weuk228.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
2007-07-27  9:53           ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-27 11:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 11:43               ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-27 11:59                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 12:17                   ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-27 18:36                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 14:56                   ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 15:18                     ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-27 15:28                       ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 15:59                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 16:09                         ` Fwd: " Jason Rumney
2007-07-27 17:53                           ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-28  3:13                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 16:14                         ` Fwd: " David Kastrup
2007-07-27 16:55                           ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-27 12:27             ` Kenichi Handa
2007-07-27 15:00             ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 11:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 11:45             ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-27 12:18             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-07-27 12:08               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 16:24         ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-27  2:16   ` Summary (Re: A system for localizing documentation strings) Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27  5:44     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-27  7:24       ` David Reitter
2007-07-27  7:45         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-27  8:03     ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27  8:18       ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-27  9:04         ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27  9:22           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27  9:39             ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27  9:46               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 11:49               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 15:11                 ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 11:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 14:52             ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 12:13           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 15:16             ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 15:55               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27  8:21       ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-07-27  9:08         ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27  9:33           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27  9:38             ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 11:05           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 11:19             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-07-27 11:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-28 14:11         ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-27 11:08       ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-27 11:15       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 11:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 11:59         ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-27 13:13           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 13:42             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 14:12               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-28 14:11               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-28 22:49                 ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 15:07         ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 15:41           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 16:11             ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-28  2:57               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-28 14:11       ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-27 16:24     ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-28  2:53       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-29  2:22         ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-29  4:46           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-29 16:55             ` M Jared Finder
2007-07-30  0:57               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-30 16:43             ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-30 17:04               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-31  3:38                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-31  4:16                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-31  6:05                     ` Jan Djärv
2007-08-02  0:32                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-08-02 23:43                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-01 18:11                     ` Davis Herring
2007-08-02  0:25                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-08-02  5:47                         ` Miles Bader
2007-07-27  5:04   ` Fwd: A system for localizing documentation strings Richard Stallman
2007-07-27  8:29     ` Jean-Christophe Helary

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