From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Next release Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 10:32:36 +0200 Message-ID: <86zlr1qjq3.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <18457.37369.262079.668907@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <200805040056.m440u3eS022727@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <874p9dn46h.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4822B82A.6030003@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1210235648 6017 80.91.229.12 (8 May 2008 08:34:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 08:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 08 10:34:42 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ju1ZE-0007Pc-Ve for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 10:33:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35761 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ju1YW-0000kP-Lv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 04:32:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ju1YR-0000jZ-5w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 04:32:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ju1YP-0000jK-GZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 04:32:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50242 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ju1YP-0000jH-Cs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 04:32:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.quinscape.de ([212.29.44.217]:36652) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ju1YP-0001oA-2j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 04:32:41 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail-ldap/ctrl 1108 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 08:32:37 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by quinx.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 May 2008 08:32:37 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 19D3C8EEBB; Thu, 8 May 2008 10:32:37 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <4822B82A.6030003@gnu.org> (Jason Rumney's message of "Thu, 08 May 2008 09:22:02 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.3-2; AVE: 7.8.0.14; VDF: 7.0.4.14; host: quinx) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96736 Archived-At: Jason Rumney writes: > Stefan Monnier wrote: >> On X11, when I start `emacs', the first thing that happens is to open >> a frame, with the toolbar, and only after that is the .emacs >> file loaded. >> >> So how can Emacs-22 on W32 avoid loading the image libraries before >> loading the .emacs, other than by not displaying the tool-bar, and if so >> how does it avoid displaying the tool-bar before loading the .emacs? >> > > I don't know how, but when Emacs starts on Windows, the frame is > blank. When messages start appearing as .emacs is loaded, the > mode-line and echo area are drawn, but the rest of the frame, > including toolbar, is only drawn after .emacs has been loaded. > > I don't think this is done especially for the toolbar images, Emacs > has always started like this on Windows. It would be worthwhile to start mapping Emacs usually only after .emacs has been processed and/or the command line processed. That way you can select fonts, geometry, toolbar or not and so on in .emacs and have emacs start right away without resizing or flicker. Or you can even use a special .emacs file (now that we have multitty) that does not even open a frame but waits for Emacsclient invocations. It would not just be useful on X. -- David Kastrup