From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Control help- and Info-mode buffers from other buffers Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2023 09:34:50 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <86zg5ixuv1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <87h6ruf09e.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <861qixbum2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86wn0opgpi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86ilc78zc2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834jnrek7w.fsf@gnu.org> <86v8g77iof.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83o7lzcxm8.fsf@gnu.org> <837csncfz1.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30958"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 02 09:06:36 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q4yrr-0007uB-N7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 09:06:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q4yqo-0005LL-Vf; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 03:05:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q4yql-0005ET-0Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 03:05:27 -0400 Original-Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:dc4:8::221]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q4yqh-000845-ML; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 03:05:25 -0400 X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net Original-Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B6D5924000E; Fri, 2 Jun 2023 07:05:17 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Arthur Miller's message of "Fri, 02 Jun 2023 03:26:26 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:4b98:dc4:8::221; envelope-from=juri@linkov.net; helo=relay1-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306542 Archived-At: > Basically that these were two discussions, one where Juri asked me about my > experiences about running commands in other windows, and one about the > patch. Juri dislike the idea of wrapping all commands into with-selected-window > and is trying to find a way to transfer command execution to other window > without need to wrap commands explicitly as I understand him, which I hope he > will find. If you ask me what would be an ideal UI, "UI of a dream", then the answer is obvious. Emacs already has such a rudimentary UI. It works perfectly, but currently is limited to a tiny set of commands. The key point of the existing "do-in-other-window" UI is that no additional prefix keys are required, only a modifier key to hold down while typing other-window navigation keys. The current modifier key is 'M-'. So while holding down the ALT key you can use the navigation keys 'PgUp', 'PgDn', 'Home', 'End' that browse the buffer in another window. While doing this, a natural wish appears to enable more navigation keys. Why not enable arrow keys as well? Why only 'M-PgUp' is supported, but not 'M-up'? Maybe the answer is that then some keys would conflict with default keybindings, for example, with 'M-left'. Such kind of problems found solutions in windmove. For its numerous keys it's possible to choose a dedicated modifier, or a combination of modifiers. So in the perfect UI, you could just hold down a modifier, then type the usual keys that you would type if another window was selected.