From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: MPS and pgtk Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 13:36:43 +0300 Message-ID: <86zfr64qpw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <878qyr6ewh.fsf@disroot.org> <86h6df6izq.fsf@gnu.org> <86jziapu1b.fsf@aarsen.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35168"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: spacibba@aol.com, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, avityazev@disroot.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, eller.helmut@gmail.com To: Arsen =?utf-8?Q?Arsenovi=C4=87?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 27 12:37:45 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sMmVd-0008td-ND for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 12:37:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sMmUz-00089S-D3; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 06:37:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sMmUv-00088N-4j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 06:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sMmUu-0000CQ-RC; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 06:37:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=k9cVgcj98HUP1MCPq5CK4og3SDgA/1FG3CyBBxEUlnc=; b=NxtKWbrn1jNl1rAQWajm pDi4RXB12c8zVs5tn0VVo4tKWzA/04A+wcTzoV0zE6cI5z6gxbxPLVW8d5lchuJM8Om0Vz2gpmFn8 m7w6jA4yE7H/VMjflD/YlY6w1pjzysd7BZKXSD5Lrwekq+xyypDfLwP9PykQnmNmO44hzrOY0FNvk lpzPvdioPOpoJhaLKSKx+usaUDQTDUjtL6NG2FDQ/3kXM2xTauMrt1UbpSH/ieniAkSr1eY+83jYn DT4yLzuXAzcWfu3RVk8LDVp60347LrOYuF3RiKFtwM1L2DR+k2hFyIlkLLoZLL+qaH7OUGCRiF6RU dHAkuAvLH1icvw==; In-Reply-To: <86jziapu1b.fsf@aarsen.me> (message from Arsen =?utf-8?Q?Arse?= =?utf-8?Q?novi=C4=87?= on Thu, 27 Jun 2024 12:19:28 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320761 Archived-At: > From: Arsen Arsenović > Cc: Ergus , gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, > avityazev@disroot.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, eller.helmut@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 12:19:28 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> So, IMHO the pgtk support may be prioritized as it is the only way we > >> support Wayland natively. > >> > >> Not sure if there are plans or alternatives under consideration to > >> change/improve pgtk, but if igc becomes an issue for it... we may > >> rethink if we really want it looking to the future? > > > > Given the sorry state of Wayland and GTK support of what Emacs needs, > > from my POV the PGTK configuration becomes less and less relevant to > > Emacs. I'm aware that the world moves in the opposite direction, but > > unless we get some help from Wayland/GTK developers, or, > > alternatively, find ways to work around those limitations (unlikely, > > IMNSHO), there's nothing we can do about this, and nothing we could > > gain by "rethinking". If you care about these platforms, start > > lobbying the respective development teams to cater more for Emacs and > > its needs. > > I am curious about what these are, as I am quite interested in the > further development of Wayland. Search our etc/PROBLEMS file for "pgtk", and you will see many of them. Others are in the various bug reports, so searching debbugs for PGTK might uncover them. > WRT GTK, I've considered Qt (but have not seen yet whether it has the > same restrictions) and multiprocessing the UI, but have not had time to > look into those options yet. Has anyone lese considered Qt? Yes, it's in the archives. For starters, it's a C++ toolkit, but AFAIR there were other problems as well.