From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 09:53:25 +0200 Message-ID: <86zflh9myy.fsf@gnu.org> References: <169c6564-4722-4338-a049-5f8f3ce69394@alphapapa.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7780"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: adam@alphapapa.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 30 08:54:22 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tHIJ3-0001rz-P9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2024 08:54:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tHIIK-0002DY-4c; Sat, 30 Nov 2024 02:53:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tHIII-0002DA-Im for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2024 02:53:34 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tHIIH-0007yR-Vo; Sat, 30 Nov 2024 02:53:34 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=a4FTNW1vaZ8AWyKvDz0AeoXM9bznomHoVYNAUMs3sQs=; b=MeZod1W/ozBG WDGQPVHgWBkTi4IPgAhM2F2jUfM7Fm6Jpb+aHmst6xrA1pVY2lmcn9XGAj6Tk9X64TeQ75iFz1LFj c9ebNjj8UrRxqVh0E7yEJh3PnYRU2SMSkPCzwVNidB4+MSa3zLBoIP8FrMA2MLGjyHAwj8RtfVPWw W5vQazziq5KbqAjy//YK8HXTWGem0iuRuXWcOp53KWdepxJjN0zggy+KMALzZt6LOFAsBnAbKsuc6 z5B4IGH3cNs2cwk3dORxEPakHd8hMLk+ai6lN/EKGF90IfCUWZmed3oIQ6beLwBPtaFU1vKhKfhgi pYhcxfXaY4hR9xensj840Q==; In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Fri, 29 Nov 2024 22:52:55 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325869 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2024 22:52:55 -0500 > > > You seem to imply that some kind of rule-breaking has happened. I don't > > think this is so--unless the rule were "No one may make any change > > unless everyone agrees to it." The technical matters in question have > > been thoroughly discussed. > > I think the crucial question was _where_ this discussion took place. > It was in the bug reporting list, not emacs-devel. > > I have complained before that the practice of discussing a feature > change on the bug list caused feature change ideas not to be > recognized as such. People should help notify all of us > that we are discussing a feature change. When such discussions happen on the bug list, we generally try to add to the discussion people who might be relevant or whose opinions we want to hear. In other cases, someone insists to move the discussion to emacs-devel. Of course, mistakes can and do happen. But the understanding that some issues need broader discussions does exist, and there's no intentional avoidance of that for some covert reasons. Please also keep in mind that a person interested in some subject could be off-line for some reason, not reading any of the Emacs lists, when the discussion happens. So even making sure all such discussions happen on emacs-devel is not a guarantee that everyone who should be involved will be. (I do agree that emacs-devel is a better place for discussing important changes, I'm just saying it is not a panacea.)