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Dieter Wilhelm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 21:22:02 +0200 Message-ID: <86y2qf4dr9.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> References: <20200426172206.GC18629@ACM> <87y2qhnc9a.fsf@gmail.com> <20200427102311.GA4976@ACM> <87mu6xtano.fsf@gmail.com> <87k120ohsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87blnbir01.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <868sif5zqo.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> <87h7x3h4ul.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="85847"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Juri Linkov , =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec , Stefan Kangas , Emacs developers To: Nicolas Goaziou Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 28 21:23:56 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jTVpj-000M8v-4E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 21:23:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46506 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTVpi-0006Qc-46 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:23:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58266) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTVo3-0004Gg-IK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:22:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTVo2-0006rM-QK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:22:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.130]:60089) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTVo2-0006qa-2x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:22:10 -0400 Original-Received: from ping ([92.116.151.118]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MqbDs-1ippTI0SLg-00mddm; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 21:22:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87h7x3h4ul.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:56:02 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:H3S2z2Z3ZAHHMK2fE5XL3ZpbNjWeEIz9xNZesJPySIgkG4S3TXA T/KmTvfwT1FEpNdSjdVdlPwK2x797HwX8J/9aeoUKBz/gzJQ3/aZ9Fkbd0YIL0aO2eHC0K6 OOFQ9E8LbEIv0NOLygyBzZtHAwVL5sb8xUVCo5fxDUtZ3r1V1Clt3WXKCWuNA2ufKTQVEQL oFjhXOkuO8TG0M+zquleQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:6JOtAXhgVh4=:7VuIt+o9O8KoRp1zSpsra+ knswUgL4foOcTtylULQS/C/Z1rb19T5nEbaJ5fZmUwPiaVYi3u1+cdyrRtNulI49qDQXf4o2+ UDASeOGRdh2iVY2Gf2WYm4fQ1bbmQJ4dXzcG9iJ95JFMU5pwQhBvhosFZ2wpvh59but4UZU9U 3AsYU1eymRz5wytR4cWcj5p4Yf/vkLldrBuT6/ypk8EGGI+SHzX0ziW0o35NtdxAL5J6SoZJG OFOaiquHOz8UGMwmqTLkgPlpRuXyUY8ibD71nV2GPRaPf/70uXeZmBBxLzQfjzGnEkikFAIJj sTy2q4NFtRMzUtU3cNRRNcvNV8LjOqXexGvkPbt9CnHDRlomAufPMHrTHh9O9DMN+YZkjBtIX ksTt8xvmiIOGeed3ob+2X8r/QY5IVV6pG7MnE39aGoRceCjBxSuN/buDnC9UC15AD0r39Ybxe e8HQHUH4uuSm/n6ONli5iaxXno8iWPaVMKeZpjVxvlYhlgLJtC68M5YCg0D/hwxqPCE1Cs2v4 ApwWNh3icDhXy2O4oLDhod3+YOAXJmaT5bNNVGi+9AugsjOzT8dQTm1wwuMqdr0QtZJLO4dFx cBLFiQ2mnGKdeJ3xvqki2T3dBPWfR643kwmNwp+tV0AaLVoYZZwfBFD2rTmqTYJkq50pt5vyY zG0yhIxtcRk5Ura557i2cXufkC+2iWuDzGge776h6ScmGH1T7TdwFf/Fy/V7El4idyqTAeyc4 ztCETu5U6LgVZmhvsQCPBunPtljujndRfAGHy08qARK8gHzUTHQW2o7jpGGP0STTJ3FZLd6p Received-SPF: none client-ip=212.227.126.130; envelope-from=dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de; helo=mout.kundenserver.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/28 15:22:06 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Received-From: 212.227.126.130 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248042 Archived-At: Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Hello, > > dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm) writes: > >> What is a bit frustrating / confusing - even for me as a longtime org >> fan - is the changed behaviour of the paragraph keybindings M-h and M-{ >> M-}. > > I'm not sure I follow, because Org binds M-h to org-mark-element and > M-{ (resp. M-}) to org-backward-element (resp. org-forward-element), an > "element" being the generalization of a paragraph in Text mode. Thank you for your request. text-mode: - M-h is selecting a paragraph and the separating empty line ABOVE the paragraph. M-h is selecting the next paragraph when you are between paragraphs - M-h in the "list paragraph" is selecting the whole list and an empty line ABOVE the list. org-mode: - M-h is selecting a paragraph and the separating emtpty line BELOW the paragraph. But only when you are in the paragraph and NOT in an empty line above the paragraph. - M-h in the list paragraph is only selecting one "list line". If you are in the list's first line it selects the whole list and an empty line BELOW the list text-mode: - M-{ is skipping to am empty line behind the paragraph also when you are in a line ABOVE the paragraph org-mode - M-{ is skpping to the next paragraph but not when you are in the line ABOVE the paragraph, then it is skipping to the next header (*) line! - M-{ in a list paragraph is only skipping to the next list line. But not when you are in the first list line, then it is skipping to the next header in the example below. Analogue for M-} Please consider the following in org-mode and text-mode ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** New option 'help-enable-completion-auto-load'. This allows disabling the new feature introduced in Emacs 26.1 which loads files during completion of 'C-h f' and 'C-h v' according to 'definition-prefixes'. This allows disabling the new feature introduced in Emacs 26.1 which loads files during completion of 'C-h f' and 'C-h v' according to 'definition-prefixes'. - bla - otot - nix - hoho ** bla ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hope that helps Dieter -- Best wishes H. Dieter Wilhelm Zwingenberg, Germany