From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: gerd.moellmann@t-online.de (Gerd Moellmann) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [spiegel@gnu.org: Re: [Fwd: vc-annotate causes Emacs to die]] Date: 28 Aug 2002 12:07:39 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <86wuqbnvo4.fsf@gerd.free-bsd.org> References: <200208260036.g7Q0aYe12400@wijiji.santafe.edu> <86n0r9vj6i.fsf@gerd.free-bsd.org> <87znv91n8y.fsf@wesley.springies.com> <86u1lhe5az.fsf@gerd.free-bsd.org> <868z2te0th.fsf@gerd.free-bsd.org> <86elckh9t0.fsf@gerd.free-bsd.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1030529350 19581 127.0.0.1 (28 Aug 2002 10:09:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Shutko , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, spiegel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17jzkx-00055Y-00 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:08:59 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17k0Gh-0008Bj-00 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:41:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17jzmI-0003Tf-00; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:10:22 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17jzkL-0003Dt-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:08:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17jzkJ-0003Db-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:08:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.18]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17jzkA-0003AN-00; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:08:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fwd06.sul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17jzk0-0003k6-0B; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:08:00 +0200 Original-Received: from gerd.free-bsd.org (520015515780-0001@[80.130.127.197]) by fwd06.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 17jzjt-0o2ts0C; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:07:53 +0200 Original-Received: from gerd.free-bsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gerd.free-bsd.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SA7pvc000282; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:07:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gerd.moellmann@t-online.de) Original-Received: (from gerd@localhost) by gerd.free-bsd.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7SA7duD000279; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:07:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: gerd.free-bsd.org: gerd set sender to gerd.moellmann@t-online.de using -f Original-To: Miles Bader In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 X-Sender: 520015515780-0001@t-dialin.net Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:7036 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:7036 Miles Bader writes: > gerd.moellmann@t-online.de (Gerd Moellmann) writes: > > The cursor shape for a bar cursor in non-selected windows has become a > > thin bar cursor. Default: 2 pixels in selected window, 1 pixel in > > other windows. > > Oh, I see; I don't use a bar-cursor. > > I can see some logic behind the new behavior, though -- if non-selected > windows use a hollow-box cursor even when the select-window cursor is a > bar, it seems as if it would make the non-selected windows stand out > _more_ than the select window, which seems wrong... The 1 pixel difference can be very hard to see; I think it's a difference of ~0.2 mm on my monitor with a horz resolution of 1600. Without looking close and comparing cursors, I personally can't tell what is what. And that's with my glasses on :). Another issue is that other programs, notably xterm, display a hollow box cursor when not selected. (Some programs, like KDE editors, don't display a cursor when not selected; I think that's a mistake.) In any case, if the hollow box were used consistently, it's appearance on a window would clearly signal ``this window is not selected''. If each app uses its own idea of non-selected window cursor, things become ambiguous. I mentioned xterm, because it comes with X, and I think it's a good move to be consistent with its UI, lacking an X style guide.