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From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: composed characters question and suggestions for quail-cyrillic-*
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:02:29 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86wsjv6o6i.fsf@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87od583s2a.fsf@jurta.org

On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:54:35 +0300 Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org> wrote: 

>> I can do
>> 
>> (insert (compose-chars ?а ?̀))
>> 
>> but if I try the resulting character in quail-define-rules, it's not a
>> valid character read sequence, being two characters.  I also can't
>> specify the `compose-chars' function call or a string there.  How do I
>> specify a combined character in the quail rules?

JL> Maybe something like this should work ("a`" "а̀") ("a'" "а́").

It doesn't, according to the docs and it's the first thing I tried :)

JL> I think we should use ` and ' as the postfix character, like
JL> latin-postfix vs latin-prefix.

OK, I changed things accordingly and will commit to CVS when the problem
above with doing combining characters in Quail is resolved.

>> Can we have `' generate acute accents and ` generate grave?
>> That's a decent compromise since accented letters are rarely needed.

JL> Since ` and ' are more important for accented letters, we should
JL> find an alternative key for ь.

I often see it written as q or u in manually transliterated text.  Maybe
// or /q or /u would work?  The corresponding /? /Q /U would uppercase
it.

>> The goal is convenience for the users, so I hope we don't build a large
>> prefix tree.  Just the limited repertoire here is already hard to
>> remember.

JL> I now noticed that I can't type a pair of double quotes in cyrillic-translit
JL> that I often do.  Maybe this rule should use the slash prefix key /""  -> “ ?

OK, it's more consistent that way.  Let's eliminate all but << and >> as
non-prefixed special characters for consistency (those two are too
convenient IMO).  So we'd have:

/-  -> –
/-- -> —
/.  -> • ("big fat dot")
/.. -> … (or whatever is appropriate for this one)
/1{2,4,8,16,32,64} -> 1/fraction (the slash moves to the beginning)
/c  -> copyright
/tm -> trademark
/rub-> ruble
/kop-> kopek
/lev-> leva (л AFAIK)
/sto-> stotinki (с AFAIK)
/e  -> euro
/ce -> cents
/pa -> §
/`` -> ” (high 9 double quote)
/`  -> ’ (high 9 single quote)
/,  -> ‚ (low 9 single quote)
/,, -> „ (low 9 double quote)
/'  -> ‘ (high 6 single quote)
/'' -> “ (high 6 double quote)
/&  -> §
/ab -> §
/#  -> №
/no -> №
<<  -> «
>>  -> »






  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-09 16:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-13 14:27 composed characters question and suggestions for quail-cyrillic-* Ted Zlatanov
2008-06-13 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-13 15:56 ` Jason Rumney
2008-06-13 18:09   ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-06-14  9:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-14 18:55       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-06-14 19:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-18 20:17           ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-06-19 11:45             ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-02 20:25               ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-03  2:29                 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-03 19:53                   ` adding consistent extra symbols to input methods (cyrillic-*, croatian-*, slov*, czech-* etc.) input methods Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-05 12:54                     ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-06 18:40                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-06 22:54                         ` Miles Bader
2008-07-10  0:09                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10  0:37                             ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-10  0:52                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10  1:44                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-10  1:15                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-10  0:27                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10  1:16                             ` Miles Bader
2008-07-10 18:43                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-11  2:52                                 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-07  1:57                         ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-07  4:39                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-07  5:25                             ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-07 19:42                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-07 22:05                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-13  5:11                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-13  5:17                                   ` Miles Bader
2008-07-13 21:27                                     ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-14  3:18                                       ` Miles Bader
2008-07-14  4:43                                         ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-14 21:51                                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-15  1:24                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-28 13:30                                               ` multiple input methods (was: adding consistent extra symbols to input methods) Juri Linkov
2008-07-06 18:41     ` composed characters question and suggestions for quail-cyrillic-* Juri Linkov
2008-07-07 20:12       ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-07 21:42         ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-08  0:48           ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-08 10:46           ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-07-08 21:47             ` David Kastrup
2008-07-08 15:37           ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-08 17:38             ` James Cloos
2008-07-08 22:54             ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-09 16:02               ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2008-07-09 18:02                 ` James Cloos
2008-07-09 18:49                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-09 19:51                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-09 18:48                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-09 19:33                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-09 22:14                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-09 23:52                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10 12:47                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-10 18:45                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10 19:10                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-10 19:52                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10 20:40                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-10 22:01                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-12 20:51                                     ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-14 14:01                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-14 21:47                                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-15 15:06                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-15 20:32                                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-08-01 21:07                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-08-05 21:00                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-08-05 22:05                                               ` Chong Yidong
2008-07-10 22:09                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-10 22:54                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-11  1:26                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-11  2:08                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-09 19:21                 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-08 15:49           ` James Cloos
2008-07-08 18:50             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-08 19:50               ` James Cloos
2008-07-08 20:26                 ` composed characters question and suggestions for?quail-cyrillic-* Teemu Likonen

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