From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: harmful code and rumor? ELPA etc. you figure it out :) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 17:07:00 +0100 Message-ID: <86woaj6pgb.fsf@zoho.eu> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="67116"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 26 17:07:41 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ikVfp-000HJm-NE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2019 17:07:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54686 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ikVfo-0002IL-Dr for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2019 11:07:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59218) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ikVfd-0002IF-II for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2019 11:07:31 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ikVfb-0000W0-SB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2019 11:07:29 -0500 Original-Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226]:53082 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ikVfb-0000V8-Kz for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2019 11:07:27 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ikVfY-000H11-9B for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2019 17:07:24 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Followup-To: gmane.emacs.help Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:0Qvs0ySLJ2Y1+UUl3U/0wrZCSuQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:122091 gmane.emacs.devel:243651 Archived-At: here is the UNEDITED backlog where incal asked about... just read it, no comments, no introduction, no excuses. incal = me, but you knew that ;) is the rumor true that destructive self-modiying (spelling...?) that harmful code was distributed on purpose, thru ELPA with Stephan knowing it, to eliminate a political opponent operating from an unknown platform? what kind of conspiracy theory is that? any proof? Eli said on gmane.emacs.devel it wasn't a good idea to do it to do what? yes I'm getting to that Stephans code was so clever what it destructed was itself! so he didn't even have to remove it from ELPA! you mean Stefan? sorry yes Monnier? I think monnier is at http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/monnier right right so after that it was commonly accepted that while you take orders from Eli you listen to Stefan can you get to the point please? and point to the code? I mean, in a normal setting, Emacs does not operate like a military organization! you are not reading, the code was self-modyfiing so the target was changed, the political opponent was actually a friend of Stefan's, relaxing minding his matters! so when the code was in mid space, outside of ELPA it turned to itself and was destructed! NOTHING LEFT! a normally skilled programmer would just remove it anyway i.e. run the command but Stefan knew it was gone! incal: you seem to be posting 5 messages to every 1 from somebody else. Make a complete thought; write it; and then stop. bpalmer: this works out for you? incal: this is your last warning before I mute you again. Deciding on the best way to configure emacs is like being Tim Allen on home improvements. You always want "More Power..." okay let's all take a moment to calm/cool down please VG234: at least you can keep backups of your configuration. I am the MAN! you know that's true. show me your projects :D incal, i hadn't ever heard anything like that. maybe you should stefan directly or perhaps on help-gnu-emacs bandali: you are right! should *ask stefan bpalmer: True. Or use git. I use the backlog as a mail just post it on gmane.emacs.help incal: i didn't know that. can you point me to that self-modifying code? deego: OK now I already told the story, and posted so many links and photos, what do you do? buhu buhu incal isn't the man OK you are right I should me more clear in my thinking and not let every thought about code be the programmers view of thinking whatever was the thought to begin with wait! now I digress from the harmful code story I remember one last thing on gmane.emacs.gnus.general come on why are we pretending this isn't a bot Lars Ingebrigtsen said the harmful code was actually creative! he urged Stefan to keep it in ELPA i mean, the effect of a gpt-2 based bot is much stronger if you get a couple people replying to it with a straight face, and i admit that's pretty funny but it considered too dangerous yeah, that's all I know so ANYWAY, back to my question, sorry about irritability :D can you confirm this story? any of you? * ldlework questions his own sanity. ldlework: heh, yeah, gpt-2 is amazing incal, when was all of this? recently? I need to play with GPT-2 a bit I recommend playing with AI Dungeon It's trained on tons of Choose Your Own Adventure material, and you kind of cooperatively tell a story with it. bandali: good question, there wher maybe time data in the TCP communication, or if it used the other one... UDP? Sometimes the way in which it seems to understand the nuance of what I just said, and how it creatively replies, is extremely unnerving. but all of that is gone! the data just binary digits on a computer memory bitstrings okay, we get it bandali: you're evil :) right thanks for letting me tell the story, no one seems to be able to confirm it incal, my question was, e.g. can you point me to any of these posts on the newsgroups you mention that talk about it? surely the newsgroup posts didn't self-destruct? ldlework, ? bandali: good point, I can assure you none of this happened without extensive discussion covering all points of the operation. just the transformation of the documents supporting everything was done after discussing every detail. I wasn't there but 100% I assure you it happened! okay, idk, let's move on from this topic right incal, what day of the week is it? wait 2019-12-26 16:50 Thu Dec W52 up up = Internet is up incal, what day of the week is it? ldlework, stop yeah look at the data! Thursday! hmm, ok sorry irritability PTSD this whole thing with the escape from the mental institution maybe wasn't a good idea? especially with Emacs being in a semi-military state maybe I do more harm than good? incal, can you please try to condense your messages more, and e.g. write complete sentences in each message? rather than 10 separate messages? it annoys people here oh, no! :( how many people were annoyed??? Of course not! M-x how-many RET use-emacs-every-second-day RET 1577375631 nah, its unix time -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal