From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: andres.ramirez Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: longtime user of emacs (was: "Why is emacs so square?") Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 00:12:36 +0000 Message-ID: <86wo37nedn.fsf@gmail.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25121"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jeff Norden Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 14 02:13:14 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jv8ZO-0006PY-BJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 02:13:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51578 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jv8ZN-0006Rv-Dm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 20:13:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40250) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jv8Yu-00062L-78 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 20:12:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qv1-f53.google.com ([209.85.219.53]:40651) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jv8Ys-0003Rc-M5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 20:12:43 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qv1-f53.google.com with SMTP id m8so6683709qvk.7 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:12:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:mime-version; bh=GrSKv7HWXR4alqdE5Vfgb5L7aC2pmbYm7Y5mq55DgmI=; b=l2k2JNi7S/j0U/Bf8fV0rtt+8ObpHTPHJ8P/nrYudFGHFExuiLPpKxXG/cpWJ1TrVF k4V0R60GZCQ1OcSr5UPClexK+rH8PDmmSnxYXV3RGsG9EenyHQW+sogQC55WsI3Zqlvy 59CrhNB1Jhuy9zbouEa2Ujdl4aaNm+GXb/FREaFdVdF8flwmSVsaqt2005qmE9QX58ow WfRaGJGVZkexJruZ1Ssn6qKGdhF+ZLh+AjgfYLm7vXYwBvJP9s/5j0KxQrzIEZNGTRyZ gIajr44qAVhkJbn1g/YhYeb5Z9qi3/xQfGi6QVAyV1+uwn50h9wqjt7klxwZP7xUDh7O BW+g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530+LlIZojHGp5hGA4E9wABK+TByY/HNAmq734LdKA7rpTvsgeke epSIUHDGLsHa5XR9+yqjyr5j++Wy X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwtdI0/hxvCAvcLQud1m4z/yM9UIRE5oCyi2i8xH+6kC6WdS3P9GVgfgoSR77sfeD+rsWUaJw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:bce:: with SMTP id ff14mr1983453qvb.196.1594685560565; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from sacsa.n800.arm.processor.yandex.fm ([190.236.255.122]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x189sm20010856qkc.54.2020.07.13.17.12.38 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:12:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.219.53; envelope-from=rrandresf@gmail.com; helo=mail-qv1-f53.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/07/13 20:12:41 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252935 Archived-At: Hi. Jeff. >>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Norden writes: Jeff> Oops, that first line should read "...my post from May," Also, it looks like the Jeff> list-archive software didn't pick this up as continuing that thread, so here is a link: Jeff> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2020-05/msg03191.html Thanks for pointing to the link. I have lost the idea about what You were talking about. I started with emacs22. But I have run recently emacs20. This is just a curious question. How many years an emacs user needs for being considered a longtime emacs user?. Other questions. Do You think vanilla emacs has good defaults? If your answer to the previous question is "No". What would You change on vanilla emacs defaults? BTW. I agree with this: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- There is no excuse for disrespecting people. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- I use rmail for reading mbox files. gnus when reading debbugs (bug reports). wanderlust for reading email and message-mode for composing this email. Best Regards